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Re: [weathering] Re: Just my opinion but enough already....


Feb 6, 2011

 


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#10675 Feb 6, 2011

I don't have a horse in this race either way but as a fellow small model rr manufacturer enough already about Scott's video. He made a product that he hoped would help fellow model railroaders and if he (god forbid) happens to make a few extra bucks directing modelers to products that he has invested money in to stock I can't blame the guy for that.



As far as his techniques, his opinion is as good as any other & they seem to work well for him. Using and maintaining an airbrush is a hugely popular subject, Finescale Modeler magazine has an article on it just about every issue, so there are obviously people out there that are constantly looking for this sort of information.



I'm not trying to stifle free speech here, but IMO enough already. There seems to be some mean spirited piling on going on. Let it go already. Being a small manufacturer in a bad economy in a niche market that is getting smaller every day is hard enough as it is.



JMHO.



Cheers,



Randy Pepprock

Downtown Deco

Dioramas Plus



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#10676 Feb 6, 2011

Well said, Randy.��And by the way, I love your products.��Ray��������----- Original Message -----From:downtowndecoTo: weathering@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:36PMSubject: [weathering] Just my opinion butenough already....

��I don't have a horse in this race either way but as a fellow small model rrmanufacturer enough already about Scott's video. He made a product that hehoped would help fellow model railroaders and if he (god forbid) happens tomake a few extra bucks directing modelers to products that he has investedmoney in to stock I can't blame the guy for that.

As far as histechniques, his opinion is as good as any other & they seem to work wellfor him. Using and maintaining an airbrush is a hugely popular subject,Finescale Modeler magazine has an article on it just about every issue, sothere are obviously people out there that are constantly looking for this sortof information.

I'm not trying to stifle free speech here, but IMOenough already. There seems to be some mean spirited piling on going on. Letit go already. Being a small manufacturer in a bad economy in a niche marketthat is getting smaller every day is hard enough as itis.

JMHO.

Cheers,

Randy PepprockDowntownDecoDioramasPlus



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#10677 Feb 6, 2011

Just a comment -- why is it that nobody seems to mind when there are several "me too" comments praising a product but it becomes a problem when someone feels that a product doesn't meet their expectations?��

BTW, I've no dog in this fight as I've never viewed any of Scott's videos and cannot comment about their quality or usefulness.

Jerry Jankura��So many toys.... So little time...Sent from my iPad



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#10678 Feb 7, 2011

I have to disagree with you Randy. This is an open forum where we discuss techniques and products used in the weathering process. This DVD is a product and tool of this hobby. I see nothing wrong in critiquing it and offering an opinion based on experience. I saw MANY posts about Airbrushing DVDs but no one posted anything after ACTUALLY seeing Scotty's DVD. Since I had actually purchased and watched the DVD several times, I felt that I was qualified to post on the subject and discuss it's quality. I see this very often on many groups and hobby pages. The quality of products are often debated. It's part of the free market system. If you make a quality product, people will buy it and compliment it. If you make a substandard product. People will critique it and spread the word.



I noticed in Ray's agreement with your post that he stated that he loved your products. Apparently Ray feels that you have produced a good product and is therefore sharing his opinion. That is no different that me posting my opinion on Scotty's DVD of which I have experience with. On the other hand, it would not be appropriate for me to comment on your product as I have no experience with at this time. However, I have three of your kits sitting on my layout waiting for time to assemble. Once I've completed them, then I will be qualified to comment on the quality of the product if the topic should arise for discussion on a message board. I'll offer my experienced opinion at that time if asked and I see nothing wrong with that.



Dennis Daniels



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#10680 Feb 8, 2011

I agree, and Dennis saved me the cost of the video too. I'll stick with Jeff Johnston's video, I guess.



That said, I am normally very defensive about the smaller industries like Scott's and Randy's. I also have a couple of Scott's other videos on structures and like them, I learned a few new techniques.



And I love Randy's stuff, but most of his buildings don't match my TOC-era layout. I do have one that will be the focalpoint of the town, though.



Mike Conder

--- In weathering@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Daniels dennydaniels@...> wrote:

>

> I have to disagree with you Randy. This is an open forum where we discuss techniques and products used in the weathering process. This DVD is a product and tool of this hobby. I see nothing wrong in critiquing it and offering an opinion based on experience.



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#10685 Feb 9, 2011

I understand your point of view DTD - Let me guess. When the guy posted his thanks for the other poster saving him from buying the video that pushed you over the edge.



The internet is great for many things. We all know that. But it's potential to do damage is unparalleled.



We all know how many boneheads post and flame on the net. It's just part of the process. So why then would anyone make a purchasing decision based on the comments of another poster?



What if the person posting about the video has a personal axe to grind? Or what even if the poster just simply got it wrong? We all have opinions.



As a vendor/supplier yourself it probably hit close to home. I'm responding here because I have had to deal with these issues in my business.



Problem is there's not a damn thing we do about it. Censorship is never the answer. Looks like we're all screwed.



Lon Wall

--- In weathering@yahoogroups.com, "downtowndeco" downtowndeco@...> wrote:

>

> I don't have a horse in this race either way but as a fellow small model rr manufacturer enough already about Scott's video. He made a product that he hoped would help fellow model railroaders and if he (god forbid) happens to make a few extra bucks directing modelers to products that he has invested money in to stock I can't blame the guy for that.

>

> As far as his techniques, his opinion is as good as any other & they seem to work well for him. Using and maintaining an airbrush is a hugely popular subject, Finescale Modeler magazine has an article on it just about every issue, so there are obviously people out there that are constantly looking for this sort of information.

>

> I'm not trying to stifle free speech here, but IMO enough already. There seems to be some mean spirited piling on going on. Let it go already. Being a small manufacturer in a bad economy in a niche market that is getting smaller every day is hard enough as it is.

>

> JMHO.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Randy Pepprock

> Downtown Deco

> Dioramas Plus

>







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#10686 Feb 9, 2011

��never bought a video for anything, but a suggestion might be to post a little video on Youtube.. sort of like a movie trailer...so potential customers could get a sample, see if they liked it...

Just a thought..

Jim A.



From: oregonloggingsupply lonwall@...>To: weathering@yahoogroups.comSent: Wed, February 9, 2011 1:08:30 PMSubject: [weathering] Re: Just my opinion but enough already....

��I understand your point of view DTD - Let me guess. When the guy posted his thanks for the other poster saving him from buying the video that pushed you over the edge.



The internet is great for many things. We all know that. But it's potential to do damage is unparalleled.



We all know how many boneheads post and flame on the net. It's just part of the process. So why then would anyone make a purchasing decision based on the comments of another poster?



What if the person posting about the video has a personal axe to grind? Or what even if the poster just simply got it wrong? We all have opinions.



As a vendor/supplier yourself it probably hit close to home. I'm responding here because I have had to deal with these issues in my business.



Problem is there's not a damn thing we do about it. Censorship is never the answer. Looks like we're all screwed.



Lon Wall



--- In weathering@yahoogroups.com, "downtowndeco" downtowndeco@...> wrote:

>

> I don't have a horse in this race either way but as a fellow small model rr manufacturer enough already about Scott's video. He made a product that he hoped would help fellow model railroaders and if he (god forbid) happens to make a few extra bucks directing modelers to products that he has invested money in to stock I can't blame the guy for that.

>

> As far as his techniques, his opinion is as good as any other & they seem to work well for him. Using and maintaining an airbrush is a hugely popular subject, Finescale Modeler magazine has an article on it just about every issue, so there are obviously people out there that are constantly looking for this sort of information.

>

> I'm not trying to stifle free speech here, but IMO enough already. There seems to be some mean spirited piling on going on. Let it go already. Being a small manufacturer in a bad economy in a niche market that is getting smaller every day is hard enough as it is.

>

> JMHO.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Randy Pepprock

> Downtown Deco

> Dioramas Plus

>



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