RE: [weathering] Re: another way


May 13, 2005

 


----------------------------

#2301 May 13, 2005

the story goes that George Sellios of Fine Scale Miniatures kits fame

is the grand pooh-bah creator of the alcohol ink weathering technique.



George discovered on a trip to a chicago train show back ?? a person

with fine weathering on the models he had on display. George asked him

how he did it and the answer was AMMONIA & HIGGINS INDIA INK.

When George returned to Boston he proceeded to play with the ammonia

ink mixes and the stench of the ammonia was driving him sick.



Seeking relief from the stench he somehow stumbled upon the denatured

alcohol and ink solution we all know today.



So i guess if the price of 99% pure goes higher than oil downunder in

AUZZIE and NZ you folks have an option, even if it does stink.



No, i have never tried it.......just know the story.........madmike



----------------------------

#2302 May 13, 2005

the story goes that George Sellios of Fine Scale Miniatures kits fame

> is the grand pooh-bah creator of the alcohol ink weathering technique.



I've been using this technique for as long as I can recall. Nothing to

"stumble" upon at all.



Cheers

Roger T.



Home of the Great Eastern Railway

www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/



----------------------------

#2303 May 13, 2005

--- In weathering@yahoogroups.com, "Roger T." rogertra@h...> wrote: >

> > the story goes that George Sellios of Fine Scale Miniatures kits

fame > > is the grand pooh-bah creator of the alcohol ink weathering

technique. >

> I've been using this technique for as long as I can recall.

Nothing to > "stumble" upon at all.

>

> Cheers

> Roger T.

>

> Home of the Great Eastern Railway

www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ROGER......so your claiming GRAND POOH-BAH #1 status as

the ""creator"" of the alcohol ink weathering solution as we know it

today. Praytell sir, and what specific year did you discover and

start using the concoction.????????? Judging by the non dirtyness of

your layout you either went to a mixture so very fine as to almost

indetectable, or you stopped using it. ????? madmike



----------------------------

#2307 May 13, 2005

ROGER......so your claiming GRAND POOH-BAH #1 status as

> the ""creator"" of the alcohol ink weathering solution as we know it

> today. Praytell sir, and what specific year did you discover and

> start using the concoction.????????? Judging by the non dirtyness of

> your layout you either went to a mixture so very fine as to almost

> indetectable, or you stopped using it. ????? madmike



Since the late 1960s ate least.



No, I'm not any sort of GRAND POOH-BAH #1, but then again, neither is

Sellios or John Allen for that matter. Just because you may not have read

about an approach in a North American magazine, doesn't mean it it's or

wasn't in use elsewhere.



As for non-dirtiness of my layout, very single item is weathered. Obviously

you didn't look at the photos long enough to notice. Nothing goes on the

layout without a weathering job of some kind, even items that are supposed

to be new, like late model autos, at least get a spray of Dullcote..



I don't believe in the Disney and or caricature.approach to modelling that

Sellios or even Allen ascribe to. I strive for realism, hence the

differences in weathering between my layout and theirs'.



Cheers

Roger T.



Home of the Great Eastern Railway

www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/



----------------------------

#2313 May 14, 2005

--- In weathering@yahoogroups.com, "Roger T." rogertra@h...> wrote: >

> No, I'm not any sort of GRAND POOH-BAH #1, but then again, neither

is > Sellios or John Allen for that matter. Just because you may not

have read > about an approach in a North American magazine, doesn't mean it

it's or > wasn't in use elsewhere.

>

> As for non-dirtiness of my layout, very single item is weathered.

Obviously > you didn't look at the photos long enough to notice. Nothing goes

on the > layout without a weathering job of some kind, even items that are

supposed > to be new, like late model autos, at least get a spray of Dullcote..

>

> I don't believe in the Disney and or caricature.approach to

modelling that > Sellios or even Allen ascribe to. I strive for realism, hence the

> differences in weathering between my layout and theirs'.

> Cheers

> Roger T.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX



Roger....hate to rain on your parade but in no way does your photos

show your layout to be spoken of in the same breath as John Allens

Gorre & Daphetid or George Sellios Franklin & South Manchester.

madmike3434



----------------------------

#2318 May 14, 2005

> I don't believe in the Disney and or caricature.approach to

> modelling that

>> Sellios or even Allen ascribe to. I strive for realism, hence the

>> differences in weathering between my layout and theirs'.

>

> Roger....hate to rain on your parade but in no way does your photos

> show your layout to be spoken of in the same breath as John Allens

> Gorre & Daphetid or George Sellios Franklin & South Manchester.



Mike, I think you're misunderstanding my posts.



I'm not claiming anything, other than I have a different approach to

modelling. As I wrote, I strive for realism not the Disney and or

caricature.approach to modelling of Sellios and Allen. I made no other

claim.



I'm definitely not comparing my modelling with anyone else's. You said my

models were not weathered. I pointed out you were wrong.



You wrote that Sellios "...is the grand pooh-bah creator of the alcohol ink

weathering

technique."



I disagreed and pointed out that there was nothing new or original in this

method. In fact, there's usually nothing "new" about anything. I've been

using that and numerous other techniques for weathering for years. Nothing

new or exciting in anything I use. I look at my workbench and what's on it

and available to weather a structure, loco or item of rolling stock. I take

some of this, some of that and use whatever is there. Oil paints, water

based paints, make up, chalks, water and oil washes, left over thinners,

denatured alcohol, whatever is there, and just grab a brush or spray can and

go at it. No airbrush for me. That's my "method".



Even my two "icons", McClelland and Koester didn't invent the wheel. When I

read the V&O series it just reinforced my own perceptions of how a model

railway should be run. The V&O series agreed with articles I'd read on the

same subject back in the mid '60s in UK magazines. It was back in the 1960s

when my modelling philosophy was "created".



As for John Allen's Gorre & Daphetid or George Sellios' Franklin & South

Manchester, if you like that style of modelling, good for you, it's just not

my cup of tea.



How about some photos of your modelling Mike?



Cheers

Roger T.



Home of the Great Eastern Railway

www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/







----------------------------

#2321 May 14, 2005

How about some photos of your modelling Mike?

>

> Cheers

> Roger T.

>

> Home of the Great Eastern Railway

> www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

roger t.......

How about some examples of my modelling...........no problem !



in the FILES SECTION.....see these files.."silver grey wood using dye"

and "size comp HO & O



in the photos section.......albums-- "bragdon pigments in use" and my

latest "EZEKIALS DRY GOODS"



These are just some of the 425 i have made since 1990......madmike3434



----------------------------

#2325 May 14, 2005

How about some examples of my modelling...........no problem !

>

> in the FILES SECTION.....see these files.."silver grey wood using dye"

> and "size comp HO & O

>

> in the photos section.......albums-- "bragdon pigments in use" and my

> latest "EZEKIALS DRY GOODS"



Very, very nice work Mike.



Cheers

Roger T.



Home of the Great Eastern Railway

www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/



----------------------------

#2326 May 14, 2005

Very nicely stated Roger.







_____



From: weathering@yahoogroups.com [mailto:weathering@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Roger T.

Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:27 AM

To: weathering@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [weathering] Re: another way





>> I don't believe in the Disney and or caricature.approach to

> modelling that

>> Sellios or even Allen ascribe to. I strive for realism, hence the

>> differences in weathering between my layout and theirs'.

>

> Roger....hate to rain on your parade but in no way does your photos

> show your layout to be spoken of in the same breath as John Allens

> Gorre & Daphetid or George Sellios Franklin & South Manchester.



Mike, I think you're misunderstanding my posts.



I'm not claiming anything, other than I have a different approach to

modelling. As I wrote, I strive for realism not the Disney and or

caricature.approach to modelling of Sellios and Allen. I made no other

claim.



I'm definitely not comparing my modelling with anyone else's. You said my

models were not weathered. I pointed out you were wrong.



You wrote that Sellios "...is the grand pooh-bah creator of the alcohol ink

weathering

technique."



I disagreed and pointed out that there was nothing new or original in this

method. In fact, there's usually nothing "new" about anything. I've been

using that and numerous other techniques for weathering for years. Nothing

new or exciting in anything I use. I look at my workbench and what's on it

and available to weather a structure, loco or item of rolling stock. I take



some of this, some of that and use whatever is there. Oil paints, water

based paints, make up, chalks, water and oil washes, left over thinners,

denatured alcohol, whatever is there, and just grab a brush or spray can and



go at it. No airbrush for me. That's my "method".



Even my two "icons", McClelland and Koester didn't invent the wheel. When I



read the V&O series it just reinforced my own perceptions of how a model

railway should be run. The V&O series agreed with articles I'd read on the



same subject back in the mid '60s in UK magazines. It was back in the 1960s



when my modelling philosophy was "created".



As for John Allen's Gorre & Daphetid or George Sellios' Franklin & South

Manchester, if you like that style of modelling, good for you, it's just not



my cup of tea.



How about some photos of your modelling Mike?



Cheers

Roger T.



Home of the Great Eastern Railway

www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

















_____



Yahoo! Groups Links



*.To visit your group on the web, go to:

groups.yahoo.com/group/weathering/



*.To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

weathering-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

mailto:weathering-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>



*.Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!

docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Contact Us
This Site's Privacy Policy
Google's privacy policies

S
e
n
i
o
r
T
u
b
e
.
o
r
g