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Re:Re:about decals


Jan 18, 2006

 


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#3852 Jan 18, 2006

Hi to all.

I want to ask one thing. I tryed to make myself some decals with my printer.

But when I weathering my models, the decals "change" color. Is better to put

before a gloss spray and then weathering and then mate spray?

And why if I print a decal with a color, it change depending of model

colour? I did'nt found a solution, and is a problem for me because I have a

freelance rr company and cannot use ready decals :(



bye, mauro



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#3853 Jan 18, 2006

In a message dated 1/18/2006 4:17:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mauroluis@... writes:



I want to ask one thing. I tryed to make myself some decals with my printer.

But when I weathering my models, the decals "change" color. Is better to put



before a gloss spray and then weathering and then mate spray?

And why if I print a decal with a color, it change depending of model

colour? I did'nt found a solution, and is a problem for me because I have a

freelance rr company and cannot use ready decals :(









Mauro.

It is best to paint the model, apply a clear gloss coat, apply the decals,

apply a mate coat, then apply weathering last.



Decals seem to change color because they are semi- transparent and the color

of the model effects them, unlike white paper which is normal for the

printer. What kind of printer are you using?



Bob Santos





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#3858 Jan 18, 2006

And why if I print a decal with a color, it change

> depending of model

> colour? I did'nt found a solution, and is a problem

> for me because I have a

> freelance rr company and cannot use ready decals :(

>

> bye, mauro

>



Mauro,

I dont know much about why the decals change when

you weather them I haven't had a problem with mine.

But as for the color change I have a few questions.



1. Are you using inkjet decals?

If so are you using white backed decal paper?



2. Are using a Dry printer such as an Alps or Kodak

Dry printer?

If so are you printing a white undercoat underneath

it?



I print decals for a small hobby business and I know

how frustrating it can be.



Martin S.

www.switchyarddecals.net



For My layout and freelancd railroad

freewebs.com/midwestandnorthern



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#3862 Jan 19, 2006

Hi Bob, Hi Martin.



thanks for your info. I print Expert choise neutral decals with a Canon ink

jet printer. The decals are perfect when printed and fixed with Microscale

decal clear film. But they are too much transparent and a green decal became

dark grey on a brown freight car :((( and the decal, when I weathered the

car show too much it self (show decal border... I don't know how to explain

my self, sorry).



bye, Mauro

> Mauro,

> I dont know much about why the decals change when

> you weather them I haven't had a problem with mine.

> But as for the color change I have a few questions.

>

> 1. Are you using inkjet decals?

> If so are you using white backed decal paper?

>

> 2. Are using a Dry printer such as an Alps or Kodak

> Dry printer?

> If so are you printing a white undercoat underneath

> it?

>

> I print decals for a small hobby business and I know

> how frustrating it can be.

>

> Martin S.

> www.switchyarddecals.net

>

> For My layout and freelancd railroad

> freewebs.com/midwestandnorthern

>

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#3863 Jan 19, 2006

In a message dated 1/19/2006 12:41:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mauroluis@... writes:



thanks for your info. I print Expert choise neutral decals with a Canon ink

jet printer. The decals are perfect when printed and fixed with Microscale

decal clear film. But they are too much transparent and a green decal became

dark grey on a brown freight car :((( and the decal, when I weathered the

car show too much it self (show decal border... I don't know how to explain

my self, sorry).







Mauro,



Do not apologize, you are doing just fine in English !!



What you need is something to make the decals more opaque so that the color

of the model does not effect it. Commercial decals are thicker and use an

opaque ink. I have an ALPS printer so I can under print with an opaque white,

making the decals work really good. Depending on what the decal is you may be

able to solve your problem by printing on white decal paper but then you will

have to trim all around it.



A good coat of matt spray should help hide the decal film if done before

weathering.



Bob





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#3864 Jan 19, 2006

Mauro,

ok your still getting the edge of the decal showing

theres possbility here I had an issue like this. I

first made sure the water I used was warm like just

barable to put my hand into. That made a differece.

Now the other problem might be the water your using

has minerals that is making this happen. I did a test

once after reading an article in Model Railroader a

few years back. I used distilled water compared to my

tap water. I heated some distilled in the microwave

for 20 seconds and put a decal on using it Couldnt

tell the decal was there after spraying a light coat

of semigloss clear coat over the car. Now when I used

my tap water, I could tell the decal was there even

after clear coating it. So this might clear up the

seeing the edges.



As for the color change I am thinking you should try

vital cal decal paper or testors decal paper for

inkjets this might be better paper and has a white

background that color doesnt shine through. I myself

have an Alps so I just print a white background then

the image. If your interested check out my site to see

some custom work I have done and some instock I have.



Martin

www.switchyarddecals.net



--- Mauro mauroluis@...> wrote:

> Hi Bob, Hi Martin.

>

> thanks for your info. I print Expert choise neutral

> decals with a Canon ink

> jet printer. The decals are perfect when printed and

> fixed with Microscale

> decal clear film. But they are too much transparent

> and a green decal became

> dark grey on a brown freight car :((( and the decal,

> when I weathered the

> car show too much it self (show decal border... I

> don't know how to explain

> my self, sorry).

>

> bye, Mauro



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#3871 Jan 19, 2006

Bob



This has been somewhat of a problem for me as well. How would you go about underprinting in white. That is the answer to the problem, but doing it is something else.



Your methods may help us out.



Thanks for you input.

Rick in Medford ----- Original Message -----

From: santmin@...

To: weathering@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [weathering] Re:about decals







In a message dated 1/19/2006 12:41:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mauroluis@... writes:



thanks for your info. I print Expert choise neutral decals with a Canon ink

jet printer. The decals are perfect when printed and fixed with Microscale

decal clear film. But they are too much transparent and a green decal became

dark grey on a brown freight car :((( and the decal, when I weathered the

car show too much it self (show decal border... I don't know how to explain

my self, sorry).







Mauro,



Do not apologize, you are doing just fine in English !!



What you need is something to make the decals more opaque so that the color

of the model does not effect it. Commercial decals are thicker and use an

opaque ink. I have an ALPS printer so I can under print with an opaque white,

making the decals work really good. Depending on what the decal is you may be

able to solve your problem by printing on white decal paper but then you will

have to trim all around it.



A good coat of matt spray should help hide the decal film if done before

weathering.



Bob





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#3873 Jan 19, 2006

The ALPS MD5000 printer has a White cassette, plus the other primary colors and also metalics....

2 printings, 1st white only....

2nd, full color overprint

ole Ron R ----- Original Message -----

From: The Ludlows

To: weathering@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:31 PM

Subject: Re: [weathering] Re:about decals





Bob



This has been somewhat of a problem for me as well. How would you go about underprinting in white. That is the answer to the problem, but doing it is something else.



Your methods may help us out.



Thanks for you input.

Rick in Medford

----- Original Message -----

From: santmin@...

To: weathering@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [weathering] Re:about decals







In a message dated 1/19/2006 12:41:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mauroluis@... writes:



thanks for your info. I print Expert choise neutral decals with a Canon ink

jet printer. The decals are perfect when printed and fixed with Microscale

decal clear film. But they are too much transparent and a green decal became

dark grey on a brown freight car :((( and the decal, when I weathered the

car show too much it self (show decal border... I don't know how to explain

my self, sorry).







Mauro,



Do not apologize, you are doing just fine in English !!



What you need is something to make the decals more opaque so that the color

of the model does not effect it. Commercial decals are thicker and use an

opaque ink. I have an ALPS printer so I can under print with an opaque white,

making the decals work really good. Depending on what the decal is you may be

able to solve your problem by printing on white decal paper but then you will

have to trim all around it.



A good coat of matt spray should help hide the decal film if done before

weathering.



Bob





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#3874 Jan 20, 2006

In a message dated 1/19/2006 9:02:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

lud@... writes:





This has been somewhat of a problem for me as well. How would you go about

underprinting in white. That is the answer to the problem, but doing it is

something else.



Your methods may help us out.









Rick,



Before I go into how to do that, do you have an APS printer? I know of no

other printer that can do it.



Bob





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#3875 Jan 20, 2006

Sorry Bob



I thought you had been referring to being able to do it with an inkjet. Thanks for your reply.



Rick ----- Original Message -----

From: santmin@...

To: weathering@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:28 AM

Subject: Re: [weathering] Re:about decals







In a message dated 1/19/2006 9:02:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

lud@... writes:





This has been somewhat of a problem for me as well. How would you go about

underprinting in white. That is the answer to the problem, but doing it is

something else.



Your methods may help us out.









Rick,



Before I go into how to do that, do you have an APS printer? I know of no

other printer that can do it.



Bob





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SPONSORED LINKS Lionel model train European model trains Model trains

Model railroads Ho scale model train Ho model trains





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YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



a.. Visit your group "weathering" on the web.



b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

weathering-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.





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#3880 Jan 20, 2006

Thanks Bob, thanks Martin.



your's advices are gold....





bye, mauro



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