VHF-Low, UHF TV Spectrum Grab? Re: Inquiry-Advice


Nov 14, 2012

 


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#604 Nov 14, 2012

Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

Thanks

Ralph



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#606 Nov 14, 2012

No ideas per se, but I wonder how much diversity one would get with so many

off-air channels? Or would they just be multiple repeats of the big six

(ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS and CW) with perhaps a smattering of independents?





Rob

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Ralph rclincoln@...> wrote:



> **

>

>

> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and

> expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA.

> Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from

> Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel

> 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13

> (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect

> these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old

> rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up

> an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak

> signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from

> WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona

> about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would

> the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like

> some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get

> 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing

> (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy

> with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower

> besides the house, ANY ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>

>

>





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#607 Nov 14, 2012

On 11/14/2012 08:20 PM, Ralph wrote: > Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping

> money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>

What website are you using to check?

I've had pretty good luck with www.tvfool.com .

Did you try a cheap set of rabbit ears just to see what you get now,

compared to what you use to get?



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#609 Nov 15, 2012

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote: >

> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>

The attic might not work for an antenna. A lot of people can't use it because of metal foil and other metal in insulation that would block signals. You will need to get an antenna outside, and scan in as many different directions as you think there may be stations, without the house intervening. If you pick up some stations, you might then consider a permanent arrangement. It will take some patience.







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#610 Nov 15, 2012

Hello,

I might have some solutions to your situation.

1. How much do you pay for your TV service every year?



2. How many cable boxes do you have &how much do you pay every year for the rental of your cable boxes?



Thank you,

mike





--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:

>

> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>



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#611 Nov 15, 2012

If you can, buy an outdoor antenna that you may be able to test out and return if needed.

.

Bill

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If society's rules were law, I'd be on Death Row.





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> From: jhtaylor2001 jhtaylor2001@...>

>To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:53 PM

>Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: Inquiry-Advice

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>--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:

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>> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable.. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA.. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna.. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV.. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE.. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside?. Am I more less stuck?. Would like some input

from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations.. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee.. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas? >> Thanks

>> Ralph

>>

>The attic might not work for an antenna. A lot of people can't use it because of metal foil and other metal in insulation that would block signals. You will need to get an antenna outside, and scan in as many different directions as you think there may be stations, without the house intervening. If you pick up some stations, you might then consider a permanent arrangement. It will take some patience.

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#612 Nov 15, 2012

Independent stations and dont forget...



Retro TV

This TV

METV

TNN (i.e. in Birmingham, its channel 40-3)

Bounce

24 hr weather (local)

Music video



Just for starters. .These are often part of a multicasted TV station. .Here, NBC is on 13-1 and METV is on 13-2. .If there are other networks like I listed, I'd like to know about them :)



In Houston, there's 2 Vietnamese stations and countless in Spanish. .Interesting selections have come up since the changeover.

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Bill

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If society's rules were law, I'd be on Death Row.





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> From: Robert Williams will7370@...>

>To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:44 PM

>Subject: Re: [TV_Antennas] Inquiry-Advice

>

>No ideas per se, but I wonder how much diversity one would get with so many

>off-air channels?. Or would they just be multiple repeats of the big six

>(ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS and CW) with perhaps a smattering of independents?

>

>

>Rob

>

>On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Ralph rclincoln@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and

>> expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA.

>> Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from

>> Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel

>> 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13

>> (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect

>> these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old

>> rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up

>> an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak

>> signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from

>> WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona

>> about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would

>> the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like

>> some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get

>> 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing

>> (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy

>> with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower

>> besides the house, ANY ideas?

>> Thanks

>> Ralph

>>

>>.

>>

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#616 Nov 18, 2012

In response to the questions received.... >>What website are you using to check?

I've had pretty good luck with www.tvfool.com .

Did you try a cheap set of rabbit ears just to see what you get now,

compared to what you use to get?

Last part first no did not use rabbit ears, did go to Best Buy and

bought an indoor use (Attic) antenna was an RCA (forget the model#) but

it was supposed to have 70mile range and was $100, took it back when I

got nothing (did point it to Johnstown PA as this is the closest market)

. And no did not know about tvfool.com THANK_YOU is showing a larger

group of stations than I would have thought, BUT only got lost with the

colors they used, Did not see any green, yellow, red or grey...Seen

Blue, purple,pink

>The attic might not work for an antenna. A lot of people can't use it

because of metal foil and other metal in insulation that would block

signals. You will need to get an antenna outside, and scan in as many

different directions as you think there may be stations, without the

house intervening. If you pick up some stations, you might then consider

a permanent arrangement. It will take some patience.



MY only answer is on this you might have a point, but am not sure that

there is metal in fiberglass insulation, and we (luckly) do not have a

metal roof.



Hello,

I might have some solutions to your situation.

1. How much do you pay for your TV service every year?



2. How many cable boxes do you have &how much do you pay every year for

the rental of your cable boxes?



REALLY? am willing to listen....... Comcast is charging totally $72.47

a month X 12 = $869.64 we get about 70 channels + music channels

(which do not use) and sadly even though we have digital ready TV's

Comcast has their system locked, their equipment or no nothing.



If you can, buy an outdoor antenna that you may be able to test out and

return if needed.



Some of why am asking questions, before I buy. So far have not found

anyone who carries outside antenna and would then be buying via

internet. the other part is would need to hire out to mount if mounted

on roof. I have a balance issue and do not want to try walking a roof

any more. Would be thinking of mounting on top of a tower, 18-20 ft to

clear the housetops around here. Mount ontop of the tower then raise

tower, my neighbor would be of some assistance here.

>No ideas per se, but I wonder how much diversity one would get with so

many >off-air channels? Or would they just be multiple repeats of the big

six >(ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS and CW) with perhaps a smattering of

independents? >Independent stations and dont forget...



Retro TV

This TV

METV

TNN (i.e. in Birmingham, its channel 40-3)

Bounce

24 hr weather (local)

Music video



Most all the stations that I listed that could get on rabbit ears

(before digital) did cover all the networks of ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX IND, PBS

AND CW.... The other channels listed? Did not think they were being

broadcast over free air, thought was cable feed.



SO leaves me with more questions, and seriously think from sounds of it

most all you know what you're doing...... Brand, model and Range would/

should I consider looking at? What I am thinking is one with about

100-150 mile range and with a rotor...BUT thoughts from the group? DO

they make such an animal that really works or is it all hype? The way I

am seeing this would be that if I buy I would own, and be hard to

return, ANY other ideas?

Thanks

Ralph







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#617 Nov 18, 2012

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote: >

> In response to the questions received....

> >>What website are you using to check?

> I've had pretty good luck with www.tvfool.com .

> Did you try a cheap set of rabbit ears just to see what you get now,

> compared to what you use to get?

> Last part first no did not use rabbit ears, did go to Best Buy and

> bought an indoor use (Attic) antenna was an RCA (forget the model#) but

> it was supposed to have 70mile range and was $100, took it back when I

> got nothing (did point it to Johnstown PA as this is the closest market)

> . And no did not know about tvfool.com THANK_YOU is showing a larger

> group of stations than I would have thought, BUT only got lost with the

> colors they used, Did not see any green, yellow, red or grey...Seen

> Blue, purple,pink

>

> >The attic might not work for an antenna. A lot of people can't use it

> because of metal foil and other metal in insulation that would block

> signals. You will need to get an antenna outside, and scan in as many

> different directions as you think there may be stations, without the

> house intervening. If you pick up some stations, you might then consider

> a permanent arrangement. It will take some patience.

>

> MY only answer is on this you might have a point, but am not sure that

> there is metal in fiberglass insulation, and we (luckly) do not have a

> metal roof.

>

> Hello,

> I might have some solutions to your situation.

> 1. How much do you pay for your TV service every year?

>

> 2. How many cable boxes do you have &how much do you pay every year for

> the rental of your cable boxes?

>

> REALLY? am willing to listen....... Comcast is charging totally $72.47

> a month X 12 = $869.64 we get about 70 channels + music channels

> (which do not use) and sadly even though we have digital ready TV's

> Comcast has their system locked, their equipment or no nothing.

>

> If you can, buy an outdoor antenna that you may be able to test out and

> return if needed.

>

> Some of why am asking questions, before I buy. So far have not found

> anyone who carries outside antenna and would then be buying via

> internet. the other part is would need to hire out to mount if mounted

> on roof. I have a balance issue and do not want to try walking a roof

> any more. Would be thinking of mounting on top of a tower, 18-20 ft to

> clear the housetops around here. Mount ontop of the tower then raise

> tower, my neighbor would be of some assistance here.

>

> >No ideas per se, but I wonder how much diversity one would get with so

> many

> >off-air channels? Or would they just be multiple repeats of the big

> six

> >(ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS and CW) with perhaps a smattering of

> independents?

> >Independent stations and dont forget...

>

> Retro TV

> This TV

> METV

> TNN (i.e. in Birmingham, its channel 40-3)

> Bounce

> 24 hr weather (local)

> Music video

>

> Most all the stations that I listed that could get on rabbit ears

> (before digital) did cover all the networks of ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX IND, PBS

> AND CW.... The other channels listed? Did not think they were being

> broadcast over free air, thought was cable feed.

>

> SO leaves me with more questions, and seriously think from sounds of it

> most all you know what you're doing...... Brand, model and Range would/

> should I consider looking at? What I am thinking is one with about

> 100-150 mile range and with a rotor...BUT thoughts from the group? DO

> they make such an animal that really works or is it all hype? The way I

> am seeing this would be that if I buy I would own, and be hard to

> return, ANY other ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>

Sure, if you are on The Great Plains, and your antenna was high enough, you might get 150 mile reception. Otherwise, no.

I would not make a significant investment until I was sure I had signal to work with. An inexpensive bowtie antenna, such as sold by Radio Shack attached to a PVC pipe, or something similar might help you. Lash the pipe to something on a porch or deck so the antenna is over the roof.You need a balun transformer to attach the antenna to some coax to run into the house. I don't like going on roofs, either.

turn the antenna in small increments, running a scan on the TV after each turn. If you get anything, you have a little hope. TVFOOL doesn't give you much hope, but there may be factors not accounted in your report.







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#619 Nov 18, 2012

NOV 19, 2012

Hello,

I am a serious TV reception hobbist.

I am not connected to any companies nor any organizations of any kind.





OK,First-

If you pay $869.64 a year, in 10 years that will be about $8,696.40

(not counting thier predicted inflation rates).

If you pay a company to install you a master TV antenna system that last 10 years for $869.64, you can save about $ 7,826.86.



Do you like saving $ 7,826.86 ?



With a savings this big, you can make a donation to your local diabetes chapter.





Second-

a. As far as the best all channel TV antenna, the best antenna

for most people in your description is the Winegard HD8200U.



b. A good amplifier from Winegard or Channel Master.

The amplifier is only for the signal loss in your cable line.

It does not increase your signal at your antenna.





c. RG6 cable or better might be RG11?



d. A big rotor is required to handle this big antenna (168.25").



e. Keep your cable as short as possible. Eliminate all

connections/splitters that you can. Just one splitter can cut

your signal by 50%.



f. Learn the scanning process of your TV set. Do not only go by the

TV set's owners manual.It will be lacking some infomation.

You will need to learn at least a little bit of chinese math to

get your peak performance.

If & when you get to this point of your set-up, e-mail me back &

I can tell you how to do this (I am a specialist in the

scanning procedure.)



Other than maybe a manufacturing flaw, this design works!

If you do not receive a good handful of TV stations,

then your live down in the bottom of a valley,

or a large object is blocking the antenna view,

or you have a connection flaw or leak.



Winegard usually has a excellent customer service, for such a small profit margin.

If they want to sell you thier product, they will try to work to make your process an easy one.



OH,

And here is your big Bonus =



You can hook your new master antenna system to your FM componet radio & you will probably have an amazing number of FM radio stations. You might be astonished.





After your review & reply back, you can ask me for additional options.



Thank you,

mike





Hello,

I might have some solutions to your situation.

1. How much do you pay for your TV service every year?



2. How many cable boxes do you have &how much do you pay every year for

the rental of your cable boxes?



REALLY? am willing to listen....... Comcast is charging totally $72.47

a month X 12 = $869.64 we get about 70 channels + music channels

(which do not use) and sadly even though we have digital ready TV's

Comcast has their system locked, their equipment or no nothing

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:

>

























> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>



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#620 Nov 18, 2012

Before you do anything,

Look around your neighborhood for people that have a monster of a antenna. Try to safely find out what thier results are & who built it up for them.

Thanks,

mike





--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:

>

> Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> Thanks

> Ralph

>







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#625 Nov 25, 2012

Did some looking around locally and a local music store also sells Antenna's. Does not stock them but orders as needed / wanted, He does have a installer... quoted me a price of $800 for a 22ft tower - 150 mile range antenna with a rotor and 50ft of cable lead. He had a 18ft tower installed in Oct about two blocks from me. He suggested I go up the extra ft because there is a metal building right across the street and he said to give extra to clear it. I asked him about the Winegard HD8200U and said was good antenna but for the reception that is in the area not needed to spend the extra money. That were I would want the antenna installed would or should get from several different market areas. Should receive about 20 different channels, yes most would be repeats of the networks. And the newer ones like ME TV, This, Retro TV.... The only thing is they do not install after Nov and will not start installing again until Mar - April (and this would depend on weather). SO should I sit and wait or is there, Any other options I could take?

Thanks Ralph

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@...> wrote:

>

> NOV 19, 2012

> Hello,

> I am a serious TV reception hobbist.

> I am not connected to any companies nor any organizations of any kind.

>

>

> OK,First-

> If you pay $869.64 a year, in 10 years that will be about $8,696.40

> (not counting thier predicted inflation rates).

> If you pay a company to install you a master TV antenna system that last 10 years for $869.64, you can save about $ 7,826.86.

>

> Do you like saving $ 7,826.86 ?

>

> With a savings this big, you can make a donation to your local diabetes chapter.

>

>

> Second-

> a. As far as the best all channel TV antenna, the best antenna

> for most people in your description is the Winegard HD8200U.

>

> b. A good amplifier from Winegard or Channel Master.

> The amplifier is only for the signal loss in your cable line.

> It does not increase your signal at your antenna.

>

>

> c. RG6 cable or better might be RG11?

>

> d. A big rotor is required to handle this big antenna (168.25").

>

> e. Keep your cable as short as possible. Eliminate all

> connections/splitters that you can. Just one splitter can cut

> your signal by 50%.

>

> f. Learn the scanning process of your TV set. Do not only go by the

> TV set's owners manual.It will be lacking some infomation.

> You will need to learn at least a little bit of chinese math to

> get your peak performance.

> If & when you get to this point of your set-up, e-mail me back &

> I can tell you how to do this (I am a specialist in the

> scanning procedure.)

>

> Other than maybe a manufacturing flaw, this design works!

> If you do not receive a good handful of TV stations,

> then your live down in the bottom of a valley,

> or a large object is blocking the antenna view,

> or you have a connection flaw or leak.

>

> Winegard usually has a excellent customer service, for such a small profit margin.

> If they want to sell you thier product, they will try to work to make your process an easy one.

>

> OH,

> And here is your big Bonus =

>

> You can hook your new master antenna system to your FM componet radio & you will probably have an amazing number of FM radio stations. You might be astonished.

>

>

> After your review & reply back, you can ask me for additional options.

>

> Thank you,

> mike

>

>

> Hello,

> I might have some solutions to your situation.

> 1. How much do you pay for your TV service every year?

>

> 2. How many cable boxes do you have &how much do you pay every year for

> the rental of your cable boxes?

>

> REALLY? am willing to listen....... Comcast is charging totally $72.47

> a month X 12 = $869.64 we get about 70 channels + music channels

> (which do not use) and sadly even though we have digital ready TV's

> Comcast has their system locked, their equipment or no nothing

>

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@> wrote:

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> > Thanks

> > Ralph

> >

>







----------------------------

#627 Nov 25, 2012

Hello,



1.Looks like you have done some good research so far.

When anybody speaks of a antenna's range in miles,

It should only be spoken in terms of ground-wave mode (everyday performance).

In an extreme DX mode, a coat hanger antenna might get a TV station 100 miles away: but what do you do all the other days with no TV.



I am guessing that the top best antennas will have maybe a everyday ground wave of up to 50 miles away reliably.

Then putting the antenna up on a tower might increase the miles even more.

I feel that the man that said 150 miles range either lacks competence or is a out right liar. Be careful



2.I agree about raising it higher, especially if there is a metal building in the way.



3.

The size of your antenna can be a difficult choice.

If you buy a TV antenna that is shorter than a full size antenna, but then don't receive all the TV channels that you should be receiving how much money will it cost you to take down the shorter antenna & then buy & install a full size antenna?

Ask your neighbor that owns a short antenna &

then ask your neighbor that has a big antenna



4. Why wait until next spring ?

You might not even need a tower.

What if you just install the antenna on a pole from the hardware store.

You might not even need to spend that money on a tower.



Then the money that was going to go to the installation of a tower, could now be donated to your local Diabetes chapter.



5. I like receiving TV stations from two different markets.

Reasons can be :

last week I was watching ABC then the audio stopped, then I turned to the ABC TV station in the other city and it still had the audio.

another reason is that the programming can often be different even on the same TV network. Especially a home sports game or other reasons.



6. Another great option can be :

call your cable company & say you want to down grade your TV programming to a "local Broadcast TV channels only package".

It might only cost about $ 20.00 a month plus the rental of their box.

I think in that package, they will also give you TV channels that most people don't watch. such as the jewelry channel, the shopping channel, etc. They might try to charge you a fee for downgrading.

Or, watch out, they might say that there is no charge, but then try to hide that fee on your bill.

(the very reason you wanted to get rid of them in the first place)



7. After your review of this e-mail, give me your thoughts & then ask me for another option that you might have.



Thank you,

mike







--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:

>

> Did some looking around locally and a local music store also sells Antenna's. Does not stock them but orders as needed / wanted, He does have a installer... quoted me a price of $800 for a 22ft tower - 150 mile range antenna with a rotor and 50ft of cable lead. He had a 18ft tower installed in Oct about two blocks from me. He suggested I go up the extra ft because there is a metal building right across the street and he said to give extra to clear it. I asked him about the Winegard HD8200U and said was good antenna but for the reception that is in the area not needed to spend the extra money. That were I would want the antenna installed would or should get from several different market areas. Should receive about 20 different channels, yes most would be repeats of the networks. And the newer ones like ME TV, This, Retro TV.... The only thing is they do not install after Nov and will not start installing again until Mar - April (and this would depend on weather). SO should I sit and wait or is there, Any other options I could take?

> Thanks Ralph

>

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@> wrote:

> >

> > NOV 19, 2012

> > Hello,

> > I am a serious TV reception hobbist.

> > I am not connected to any companies nor any organizations of any kind.

> >

> >

> > OK,First-

> > If you pay $869.64 a year, in 10 years that will be about $8,696.40

> > (not counting thier predicted inflation rates).

> > If you pay a company to install you a master TV antenna system that last 10 years for $869.64, you can save about $ 7,826.86.

> >

> > Do you like saving $ 7,826.86 ?

> >

> > With a savings this big, you can make a donation to your local diabetes chapter.

> >

> >

> > Second-

> > a. As far as the best all channel TV antenna, the best antenna

> > for most people in your description is the Winegard HD8200U.

> >

> > b. A good amplifier from Winegard or Channel Master.

> > The amplifier is only for the signal loss in your cable line.

> > It does not increase your signal at your antenna.

> >

> >

> > c. RG6 cable or better might be RG11?

> >

> > d. A big rotor is required to handle this big antenna (168.25").

> >

> > e. Keep your cable as short as possible. Eliminate all

> > connections/splitters that you can. Just one splitter can cut

> > your signal by 50%.

> >

> > f. Learn the scanning process of your TV set. Do not only go by the

> > TV set's owners manual.It will be lacking some infomation.

> > You will need to learn at least a little bit of chinese math to

> > get your peak performance.

> > If & when you get to this point of your set-up, e-mail me back &

> > I can tell you how to do this (I am a specialist in the

> > scanning procedure.)

> >

> > Other than maybe a manufacturing flaw, this design works!

> > If you do not receive a good handful of TV stations,

> > then your live down in the bottom of a valley,

> > or a large object is blocking the antenna view,

> > or you have a connection flaw or leak.

> >

> > Winegard usually has a excellent customer service, for such a small profit margin.

> > If they want to sell you thier product, they will try to work to make your process an easy one.

> >

> > OH,

> > And here is your big Bonus =

> >

> > You can hook your new master antenna system to your FM componet radio & you will probably have an amazing number of FM radio stations. You might be astonished.

> >

> >

> > After your review & reply back, you can ask me for additional options.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > mike

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> > I might have some solutions to your situation.

> > 1. How much do you pay for your TV service every year?

> >

> > 2. How many cable boxes do you have &how much do you pay every year for

> > the rental of your cable boxes?

> >

> > REALLY? am willing to listen....... Comcast is charging totally $72.47

> > a month X 12 = $869.64 we get about 70 channels + music channels

> > (which do not use) and sadly even though we have digital ready TV's

> > Comcast has their system locked, their equipment or no nothing

> >

> > --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Serious questions, we are paying $75 month (Comcast) for basic and expanded basic cable. Where am located is on top of a mountain here in PA. Before all this digital change, used to get... channel 6&8 from Johnstown,PA channels 9 & 10 from Altoona PA... from Pittsburgh got channel 2 (sometimes Baltimore would bleed in)channel 4 (faintly) channel 11 & 13 (which would be strong signal)channels 19 & 22 and 53 (weather would affect these)and from Clarksburg WV channel 5 and all these were using the old rabbit ears, no outside antenna. According to the FCC website if I put up an antenna would only get channel 6 (weak signal) and channel 8 (weak signal) both from Johnstown. And a possible faint signal on channel 3 from WV. Pittsburgh is about 70-80 miles NW Johnstown is 40 miles N Altoona about 70-80 miles NE. Am thinking would like to drop Comcast... BUT would the FCC be right even with an outside? Am I more less stuck? Would like some input from some others before dropping money on a system and only get 2 stations. DID try a indoor ran cable up into the attic and got nothing (and yes the TV tried on is a newer HDTV), was able to return to Best Buy with out a restocking fee. I would be thinking of mounting on a tower besides the house, ANY ideas?

> > > Thanks

> > > Ralph

> > >

> >

>







----------------------------

#630 Nov 25, 2012

On 11/25/2012 06:47 PM, Ralph wrote: > Did some looking around locally and a local music store also sells Antenna's. Does not stock them but orders as needed / wanted, He does have a installer... quoted me a price of $800 for a 22ft tower - 150 mile range antenna with a rotor and 50ft of cable lead. He had a 18ft tower installed in Oct about two blocks from me. He suggested I go up the extra ft because there is a metal building right across the street and he said to give extra to clear it. I asked him about the Winegard HD8200U and said was good antenna but for the reception that is in the area not needed to spend the extra money. That were I would want the antenna installed would or should get from several different market areas. Should receive about 20 different channels, yes most would be repeats of the networks. And the newer ones like ME TV, This, Retro TV.... The only thing is they do not install after Nov and will not start installing again until Mar - April (and this would depend on weather). SO sho

> uld I sit and wait or is there, Any other options I could take?

> Thanks Ralph

>

>



That isn't a bad priced, but is it a free standing tower?

What antenna are they actually going to give you for that price?

What brand of rotor?

Other wise that doesn't sound too bad price wise.

I have a 40ft tower that I need about that much money just to pour the

base and it's free standing.

If it wasn't for that I would have it up already.



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#632 Nov 26, 2012

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote: >

> Did some looking around locally and a local music store also sells Antenna's. Does not stock them but orders as needed / wanted, He does have a installer... quoted me a price of $800 for a 22ft tower - 150 mile range antenna with a rotor and 50ft of cable lead. He had a 18ft tower installed in Oct about two blocks from me. He suggested I go up the extra ft because there is a metal building right across the street and he said to give extra to clear it. I asked him about the Winegard HD8200U and said was good antenna but for the reception that is in the area not needed to spend the extra money. That were I would want the antenna installed would or should get from several different market areas. Should receive about 20 different channels, yes most would be repeats of the networks. And the newer ones like ME TV, This, Retro TV.... The only thing is they do not install after Nov and will not start installing again until Mar - April (and this would depend on weather). SO should I sit and wait or is there, Any other options I could take?

> Thanks Ralph

>

If the 800 dollar deal proves unsatisfactory in some way, you will have a long winter to repent at leisure.



----------------------------

#633 Nov 26, 2012

Hello,

I might be wrong.

If I understand your comment, I think that you might mean that it might be best to not rot our brain watching too much TV.

Which I can agree.

AT the same time , I feel that it is important to be updated with your local news, weather & events.

It can be a balancing act.

There are times that our life should be totally quiet, so as that we can review & analyze our life.



Thank you,

mike

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "jhtaylor2001" jhtaylor2001@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@> wrote:

> >

> > Did some looking around locally and a local music store also sells Antenna's. Does not stock them but orders as needed / wanted, He does have a installer... quoted me a price of $800 for a 22ft tower - 150 mile range antenna with a rotor and 50ft of cable lead. He had a 18ft tower installed in Oct about two blocks from me. He suggested I go up the extra ft because there is a metal building right across the street and he said to give extra to clear it. I asked him about the Winegard HD8200U and said was good antenna but for the reception that is in the area not needed to spend the extra money. That were I would want the antenna installed would or should get from several different market areas. Should receive about 20 different channels, yes most would be repeats of the networks. And the newer ones like ME TV, This, Retro TV.... The only thing is they do not install after Nov and will not start installing again until Mar - April (and this would depend on weather). SO should I sit and wait or is there, Any other options I could take?

> > Thanks Ralph

> >

> If the 800 dollar deal proves unsatisfactory in some way, you will have a long winter to repent at leisure.

>



----------------------------

#634 Nov 26, 2012

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@...> wrote: >

> Hello,

> I might be wrong.

> If I understand your comment, I think that you might mean that it might be best to not rot our brain watching too much TV.

> Which I can agree.

> AT the same time , I feel that it is important to be updated with your local news, weather & events.

> It can be a balancing act.

> There are times that our life should be totally quiet, so as that we can review & analyze our life.

>

> Thank you,

> mike

>

My comment suggested that one might wind up with a 22 foot tower, an 800 dollar bill, no TV, and, nothing to be done about it until Spring.







----------------------------

#636 Nov 26, 2012

If your are going to spend ~$1k on a system, the best place to do some homeworkis tvfool.com. Take some time to understand the numbers in your area and if theant system will have enough gain to rx the TV signal.



...Don Doughty,.

--- On Mon, 11/26/12, jhtaylor2001 jhtaylor2001@...> wrote:



From: jhtaylor2001 jhtaylor2001@...>

Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: Inquiry-Advice

To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 6:34 PM

































.



























--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@...> wrote:



>



> Hello,



> I might be wrong.



> If I understand your comment, I think that you might mean that it might be best to not rot our brain watching too much TV.



> Which I can agree.



> AT the same time , I feel that it is important to be updated with your local news, weather & events.



> It can be a balancing act.



> There are times that our life should be totally quiet, so as that we can review & analyze our life.



>



> Thank you,



> mike



>



My comment suggested that one might wind up with a 22 foot tower, an 800 dollar bill, no TV, and, nothing to be done about it until Spring.























































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



----------------------------

#637 Nov 27, 2012

THANKS everyone for the advice. John, like your comment here about rotting your brain out. But, being honest most all my viewing has been Local (or somewhat Local) usually watch the local area Johnstown PA or Pittsburgh, for the news and weather. For International and Business news watch Bloomberg,Fox News,sometimes CNN, BBC. Besides for religious broadcasts and some of the older programs. Don't tend to watch. With the suggestions that have been given. DID some more research.... appears no one in town has an outside antenna, just dish network ( and with what have gotten from them so far I might as well stay with Comcast). The tower that is about 3 blocks away is outside city limits, they did want to go with cable BUT it would have cost them extra to run a line. My reasons for a tower, simple (thinking might be easier for me to scale (or grab a hold of) if I would need to do top work done, and then being close to the highest point in PA we tend to get strong winds,don't want something bending and snapping,if possible. Suggestion what type pole (and cannot use a telephone pole, the city officials would freak), am thinking of threaded galvanized, in bout 6 ft sections,(this way might make it easier for me to do the install then trying to hire out) and standing it closer to the house. BUT how far from house? Was going to place tower 1 1/2 - 2 ft away... AS far as a satellite dish am shelving that idea, and will just set up the computer next to the TV in Living room, run wireless rest of the house.

Am all ears for suggestions

Ralph

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I might be wrong.

> If I understand your comment, I think that you might mean that it might be best to not rot our brain watching too much TV.

> Which I can agree.

> AT the same time , I feel that it is important to be updated with your local news, weather & events.

> It can be a balancing act.

> There are times that our life should be totally quiet, so as that we can review & analyze our life.

>

> Thank you,

> mike



----------------------------

#638 Nov 27, 2012

Hello,

Some years back I bought & installed a

"Delhi ( Jerrold ) VU-937SR UHF-VHF-FM TV ANTENNA Deepest Fringe TV antenna".

It is considered to be one of the best & biggest consumer TV antennas ever made.

It was about 192" (16 feet).

(I never added the

VU-8PZ UHF booster kit adds 8 more Parasitic Elements to Improve UHF Gain Also adds 33.5" to the antenna).

That would have made the antenna about 19 feet long. A monster!



I quickly put it up on threaded galvanized pipes & did not brace it correctly. The wind blew it over & the threads on the pipe broke & broke the antenna in half.

The threaded part on the pipe is probably the weakest part on the pipe.



What about calling the antenna manufactures for advice ?



What about down grading your Comcast to local channels only?



Thank you,

mike



--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:

>

> THANKS everyone for the advice. John, like your comment here about rotting your brain out. But, being honest most all my viewing has been Local (or somewhat Local) usually watch the local area Johnstown PA or Pittsburgh, for the news and weather. For International and Business news watch Bloomberg,Fox News,sometimes CNN, BBC. Besides for religious broadcasts and some of the older programs. Don't tend to watch. With the suggestions that have been given. DID some more research.... appears no one in town has an outside antenna, just dish network ( and with what have gotten from them so far I might as well stay with Comcast). The tower that is about 3 blocks away is outside city limits, they did want to go with cable BUT it would have cost them extra to run a line. My reasons for a tower, simple (thinking might be easier for me to scale (or grab a hold of) if I would need to do top work done, and then being close to the highest point in PA we tend to get strong winds,don't want something bending and snapping,if possible. Suggestion what type pole (and cannot use a telephone pole, the city officials would freak), am thinking of threaded galvanized, in bout 6 ft sections,(this way might make it easier for me to do the install then trying to hire out) and standing it closer to the house. BUT how far from house? Was going to place tower 1 1/2 - 2 ft away... AS far as a satellite dish am shelving that idea, and will just set up the computer next to the TV in Living room, run wireless rest of the house.

> Am all ears for suggestions

> Ralph

>

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> > I might be wrong.

> > If I understand your comment, I think that you might mean that it might be best to not rot our brain watching too much TV.

> > Which I can agree.

> > AT the same time , I feel that it is important to be updated with your local news, weather & events.

> > It can be a balancing act.

> > There are times that our life should be totally quiet, so as that we can review & analyze our life.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > mike

>







----------------------------

#639 Nov 28, 2012

At some point it is worth splitting up the UHF & VHF-H into two.antennas anduse a RF diplexer. If you install two amps and use a signal combiner..

--- On Tue, 11/27/12, John antennagarden@...> wrote:



From: John antennagarden@...>

Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: Inquiry-Advice

To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 7:57 PM

































.



















Hello,



Some years back I bought & installed a



"Delhi ( Jerrold ) VU-937SR UHF-VHF-FM TV ANTENNA Deepest Fringe TV antenna".



It is considered to be one of the best & biggest consumer TV antennas ever made.



It was about 192" (16 feet).



(I never added the



VU-8PZ UHF booster kit adds 8 more Parasitic Elements to Improve UHF Gain Also adds 33.5" to the antenna).



That would have made the antenna about 19 feet long. A monster!







I quickly put it up on threaded galvanized pipes & did not brace it correctly. The wind blew it over & the threads on the pipe broke & broke the antenna in half.



The threaded part on the pipe is probably the weakest part on the pipe.







What about calling the antenna manufactures for advice ?







What about down grading your Comcast to local channels only?







Thank you,



mike







--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@...> wrote:



>



> THANKS everyone for the advice. John, like your comment here about rotting your brain out. But, being honest most all my viewing has been Local (or somewhat Local) usually watch the local area Johnstown PA or Pittsburgh, for the news and weather. For International and Business news watch Bloomberg,Fox News,sometimes CNN, BBC. Besides for religious broadcasts and some of the older programs. Don't tend to watch. With the suggestions that have been given. DID some more research.... appears no one in town has an outside antenna, just dish network ( and with what have gotten from them so far I might as well stay with Comcast). The tower that is about 3 blocks away is outside city limits, they did want to go with cable BUT it would have cost them extra to run a line. My reasons for a tower, simple (thinking might be easier for me to scale (or grab a hold of) if I would need to do top work done, and then being close to the highest point in PA we

tend to get strong winds,don't want something bending and snapping,if possible. Suggestion what type pole (and cannot use a telephone pole, the city officials would freak), am thinking of threaded galvanized, in bout 6 ft sections,(this way might make it easier for me to do the install then trying to hire out) and standing it closer to the house. BUT how far from house? Was going to place tower 1 1/2 - 2 ft away... AS far as a satellite dish am shelving that idea, and will just set up the computer next to the TV in Living room, run wireless rest of the house.



> Am all ears for suggestions



> Ralph



>



> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" antennagarden@> wrote:



> >



> > Hello,



> > I might be wrong.



> > If I understand your comment, I think that you might mean that it might be best to not rot our brain watching too much TV.



> > Which I can agree.



> > AT the same time , I feel that it is important to be updated with your local news, weather & events.



> > It can be a balancing act.



> > There are times that our life should be totally quiet, so as that we can review & analyze our life.



> >



> > Thank you,



> > mike



>























































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



----------------------------

#640 Nov 28, 2012

Hello,

That might only be part success.

Why only use VHF-HI ?



According to Wikipedia,

20 TV stations are using real channel 2

20 TV stations are using real channel 3.

27 TV stations are using real channel 4.

31 TV stations are using real channel 5.

64 TV stations are using real channel 6.



Plus why leave FM out ?



Thank you,

mike



--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Donald Doughty dondoughty@...> wrote:

>

>

> At some point it is worth splitting up the UHF & VHF-H into two..antennas anduse a RF diplexer. If you install two amps and use a signal combiner...

>

> --- On Tue, 11/27/12, John antennagarden@...> wrote:

>

> From: John antennagarden@...>

> Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: Inquiry-Advice

> To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 7:57 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> Some years back I bought & installed a

>

> "Delhi ( Jerrold ) VU-937SR UHF-VHF-FM TV ANTENNA Deepest Fringe TV antenna".

>

> It is considered to be one of the best & biggest consumer TV antennas ever made.

>

> It was about 192" (16 feet).

>

> (I never added the

>

> VU-8PZ UHF booster kit adds 8 more Parasitic Elements to Improve UHF Gain Also adds 33.5" to the antenna).

>

> That would have made the antenna about 19 feet long. A monster!

>

>

>

> I quickly put it up on threaded galvanized pipes & did not brace it correctly. The wind blew it over & the threads on the pipe broke & broke the antenna in half.

>

> The threaded part on the pipe is probably the weakest part on the pipe.

>

>

>

> What about calling the antenna manufactures for advice ?

>

>

>

> What about down grading your Comcast to local channels only?

>

>

>

> Thank you,

>

> mike

>

>

>

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" rclincoln@> wrote:

>

> >

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> > THANKS everyone for the advice. John, like your comment here about rotting your brain out. But, being honest most all my viewing has been Local (or somewhat Local) usually watch the local area Johnstown PA or Pittsburgh, for the news and weather. For International and Business news watch Bloomberg,Fox News,sometimes CNN, BBC. Besides for religious broadcasts and some of the older programs. Don't tend to watch. With the suggestions that have been given. DID some more research.... appears no one in town has an outside antenna, just dish network ( and with what have gotten from them so far I might as well stay with Comcast). The tower that is about 3 blocks away is outside city limits, they did want to go with cable BUT it would have cost them extra to run a line. My reasons for a tower, simple (thinking might be easier for me to scale (or grab a hold of) if I would need to do top work done, and then being close to the highest point in PA we

> tend to get strong winds,don't want something bending and snapping,if possible. Suggestion what type pole (and cannot use a telephone pole, the city officials would freak), am thinking of threaded galvanized, in bout 6 ft sections,(this way might make it easier for me to do the install then trying to hire out) and standing it closer to the house. BUT how far from house? Was going to place tower 1 1/2 - 2 ft away... AS far as a satellite dish am shelving that idea, and will just set up the computer next to the TV in Living room, run wireless rest of the house.

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#641 Nov 29, 2012

Please include the URL on future posts.



VHF-Low TV Stations.require.relatively.large.antennas.and been limited to low power trans missions.

see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition_in_the_United_States>

see, Loss of Service.



Building VHF-High Yaggi Ant is an option, but for VHF-Low these start to get large.

www.spycurb.com/Digital-TV-Spy/VHF_Low_Band.html>

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_broadcast_television_frequencies>

Also, I do not know of any.duplexers.covering the VHF-L, VHF-H, UHF Bands.

So the fallback would be to use three amps and feeds, then a combiner.

This is starting the cross the cost boundary.into a.commercialism.system.



However, this might not be a.theoretical.discussion, there is a UHF Spectrum Grab

for top 20 UHF TV channels underway. We might have to design system for VHF-Low.

When Boston a TV tower.duplexer failed taking four major channels off the air for a week,

there was only two.Boston Globe stories covering the outage.

www.bostonglobe.com/business/2012/04/10/downed-boston-stations-back-air/vR9zCnoiC9Uee6av1E3y8L/story.html>



Does anyone .know the status of the.UHF TV Spectrum Grab?





REFs:

www.adweek.com/news/television/fcc-spectrum-auctions-big-deal-or-no-deal-144074

www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2012/11/27/6fda5576-2f59-11e2-ac4a-33b8b41fb531_story.html

www.tvnewscheck.com/article/47448/fcc-plan-makes-vhf-a-very-high-priority/page/1

usjvc.com/blog/?p=324





--- On Wed, 11/28/12, John antennagarden@...> wrote:



From: John antennagarden@...>

Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: Inquiry-Advice

To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 7:26 PM



Hello,



That might only be part success.



Why only use VHF-HI ?





According to Wikipedia,



20 TV stations are using real channel 2



20 TV stations are using real channel 3.



27 TV stations are using real channel 4.



31 TV stations are using real channel 5.



64 TV stations are using real channel 6.





Plus why leave FM out ?





Thank you,



mike











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--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Donald Doughty dondoughty@...> wrote: >

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It is a very real possibility, and is a little spooky. So far it is not kinetic. The government prefers to coax broadcasters into a voluntary surrender. The spooky part is that the FCC has already whittled the usable number of channels down to where co-channel problems are an issue, with no concern. The government will find a way to sell those 20 or so channels for short term income. I will guess that in 20 years broadcast TV will be very marginal.



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