Re: the best indoor dtv antennas


Aug 27, 2009

 


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#298 Aug 27, 2009

One of our HDTVs is a wall mount in our kitchen above the sink for

making dish washing more pleasurable. But the layout is such that

there is no way to mount a regular HDTV antenna near a window. So we

are stuck with a small area up in a corner ceiling area for the

antenna. We have one that has a AC/DC power cube, but the signal is

still sick. Get lots of breakup, signal is encrypted, signal is weak

or absent messages on the TV. So what are the names of the most potent

amplifying antenna lashups. Rewiring the house to bring in an external

antenna is not an option for us. Anyone have some answers, please

tell. Thanks.





John Ferman

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#299 Aug 27, 2009

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, John Ferman jwferman@...> wrote: >

> One of our HDTVs is a wall mount in our kitchen above the sink for

> making dish washing more pleasurable. But the layout is such that

> there is no way to mount a regular HDTV antenna near a window. So we

> are stuck with a small area up in a corner ceiling area for the

> antenna. We have one that has a AC/DC power cube, but the signal is

> still sick. Get lots of breakup, signal is encrypted, signal is weak

> or absent messages on the TV. So what are the names of the most potent

> amplifying antenna lashups. Rewiring the house to bring in an external

> antenna is not an option for us. Anyone have some answers, please

> tell. Thanks.

>

>

> John Ferman

> jwferman@...

>

>Heve you room to run coax to the window? You may not need much of an antenna, as far as space. I've used one as small as 5"X 4". If you think you want to try something like that, just say so, and I'll try to help you with it.



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#300 Aug 27, 2009

John,

You can try making your own TV antenna. I made one to use with my

motorhome when we are parked under trees. With the antenna I made, I can

move it to different locations for the best signal. Here is a video of how

to make an antenna (very easy). I used some copper wire I had instead of

the coat hangers. For the small amount of time it takes to make one you

could try it and make it to a size that will still work for your situation.

This is the web site: tinyurl.com/3an66r



Hope this helps you.

Mike Tamarkin, from York PA



----- >> One of our HDTVs is a wall mount in our kitchen above the sink for >> making dish washing more pleasurable. But the layout is such that

>> there is no way to mount a regular HDTV antenna near a window. So we

>> are stuck with a small area up in a corner ceiling area for the

>> antenna. We have one that has a AC/DC power cube, but the signal is

>> still sick. Get lots of breakup, signal is encrypted, signal is weak

>> or absent messages on the TV. So what are the names of the most potent

>> amplifying antenna lashups. Rewiring the house to bring in an external

>> antenna is not an option for us. Anyone have some answers, please

>> tell. Thanks.

>>

>>

>> John Ferman

>> jwferman@...



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#301 Aug 27, 2009

Hey John, one wonders why a person couldn't set up a remote antenna (where

the best signal is) and then RETRANSMIT it wireless at low power to another

receiver in your house. Seems to me I've seen something that will

retransmit video over at Radio Shack.



Just a thought....



Rob



On 8/27/09, John Ferman jwferman@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> One of our HDTVs is a wall mount in our kitchen above the sink for

> making dish washing more pleasurable. But the layout is such that

> there is no way to mount a regular HDTV antenna near a window. So we

> are stuck with a small area up in a corner ceiling area for the

> antenna. We have one that has a AC/DC power cube, but the signal is

> still sick. Get lots of breakup, signal is encrypted, signal is weak

> or absent messages on the TV. So what are the names of the most potent

> amplifying antenna lashups. Rewiring the house to bring in an external

> antenna is not an option for us. Anyone have some answers, please

> tell. Thanks.

>

> John Ferman

> jwferman@... jwferman%40ties2.net>

>

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>

>

>





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#302 Aug 27, 2009

John Ferman wrote: > One of our HDTVs is a wall mount in our kitchen above the sink for

> making dish washing more pleasurable. But the layout is such that

> there is no way to mount a regular HDTV antenna near a window. So we

> are stuck with a small area up in a corner ceiling area for the

> antenna.



IS there not a way to run some COAX along baseboards? with an antenna

located elsewhere in the house where it gets a better signal?



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#467 Jan 6 5:04 PM

Hi Folks,



I'm new to this list so I hope I don't offend anyone with my posts.



I'm not a TV antenna expert. I do have a house with 2 non-digital

antennas on it and I'd like to use them as my only alternative is FIOS -

no thank you.



They bring in 1 of 2 CBS TV stations and 2 ABC stations as well as

public TV and Fox. However, they can't seem to nring in any NBC stations

which are even closer to me than the ABC stations and CBS station.



There seems to be a booster on one of the wires under the house where

the antenna comes from on the roof. I get pretty decent reception in the

bedroom which is the only room I'm getting TV reception. But, again no NBC.



I've never installed a TV antenna nor have I ever worked on any. They

were on the house when we moved in.



People tell me I live in an excellent TV reception area and a neighbor's

house 2 blocks over uses his antenna to bring in all the networks. He

bought the house with the antennas all rigged so he has no idea how to

install or adjust an antenna. It just works.



There is only one guy who installs TV antennae in my area for over 40

miles and he only got it working in one room and without NBC and charges

$75 just to look at the antenna.



I'm not sure how to resolve this? Maybe the antenna needs another

booster? Maybe one of the antennas needs turning? I don't know since

I've never adjusted a roof TV antenna.



I would very much appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.



Thank you so much,



Charles.



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#468 Jan 6 5:29 PM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> Hi Folks,

>

> I'm new to this list so I hope I don't offend anyone with my posts.

>

> I'm not a TV antenna expert. I do have a house with 2 non-digital

> antennas on it and I'd like to use them as my only alternative is FIOS -

> no thank you.

>

> They bring in 1 of 2 CBS TV stations and 2 ABC stations as well as

> public TV and Fox. However, they can't seem to nring in any NBC stations

> which are even closer to me than the ABC stations and CBS station.

>

> There seems to be a booster on one of the wires under the house where

> the antenna comes from on the roof. I get pretty decent reception in the

> bedroom which is the only room I'm getting TV reception. But, again no NBC.

>

> I've never installed a TV antenna nor have I ever worked on any. They

> were on the house when we moved in.

>

> People tell me I live in an excellent TV reception area and a neighbor's

> house 2 blocks over uses his antenna to bring in all the networks. He

> bought the house with the antennas all rigged so he has no idea how to

> install or adjust an antenna. It just works.

>

> There is only one guy who installs TV antennae in my area for over 40

> miles and he only got it working in one room and without NBC and charges

> $75 just to look at the antenna.

>

> I'm not sure how to resolve this? Maybe the antenna needs another

> booster? Maybe one of the antennas needs turning? I don't know since

> I've never adjusted a roof TV antenna.

>

> I would very much appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.

>

> Thank you so much,

>

> Charles.

>

You would do well to go to TVFool.com and get a reception report, which will tell you what you need to know. If you post what you find there, I'm sure you can get some help here. You also need to let us know what antennas you are using(type, if unknown, what they look like)



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#469 Jan 6 7:39 PM

On 01/06/2012 07:04 PM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Folks,

>

> I'm new to this list so I hope I don't offend anyone with my posts.

>

> I'm not a TV antenna expert. I do have a house with 2 non-digital

> antennas on it and I'd like to use them as my only alternative is FIOS -

> no thank you.



There is no such thing as a digital tv antenna. You have either a UHF or

a VHF or a combo (UHF/VHF) antenna.

The marketing hype for this is breeding mis-information.

Your old antenna can and will pick up digital television stations just fine. >

> They bring in 1 of 2 CBS TV stations and 2 ABC stations as well as

> public TV and Fox. However, they can't seem to nring in any NBC stations

> which are even closer to me than the ABC stations and CBS station.

>

> There seems to be a booster on one of the wires under the house where

> the antenna comes from on the roof. I get pretty decent reception in the

> bedroom which is the only room I'm getting TV reception. But, again no NBC.

Sounds like your booster(pre-amplifier?) is not working.

> I've never installed a TV antenna nor have I ever worked on any. They

> were on the house when we moved in.

>

> People tell me I live in an excellent TV reception area and a neighbor's

> house 2 blocks over uses his antenna to bring in all the networks. He

> bought the house with the antennas all rigged so he has no idea how to

> install or adjust an antenna. It just works.

>

> There is only one guy who installs TV antennae in my area for over 40

> miles and he only got it working in one room and without NBC and charges

> $75 just to look at the antenna.

>

> I'm not sure how to resolve this? Maybe the antenna needs another

> booster? Maybe one of the antennas needs turning? I don't know since

> I've never adjusted a roof TV antenna.

>

> I would very much appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.

>

> Thank you so much,

>

> Charles.

>

>

You can see what you can pick up in your area by going to

www.tvfool.com

Do you know if your present antenna is a UHF or VHF or combo antenna?



UHF only antennas www.winegard.com/offair/uhf-antennas.php

VHF only antennas www.winegard.com/offair/vhf-antennas.php

Combo antennas www.winegard.com/offair/vhfuhf-antennas.php

Of course this is what Winegard offers and there are others but this

should give you an idea of what you have.





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#470 Jan 7 6:58 AM

Hi jhtaylor and Dale,



Thank you so much for sharing tvfool.com



Here are my results.



www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d7fb961f87f6a42



Interesting I do *not* see channel 8 listed which is an NBC affiliate

which others say I'm supposed to pull in.



I'm not very familiar with types of tv antennas but I did take photos of

them.



Could I please have your permission to e-mail them you as jpgs off list?



Thank you again for all your much appreciated help.



Charles.



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#471 Jan 7 10:01 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> Hi jhtaylor and Dale,

>

> Thank you so much for sharing tvfool.com

>

> Here are my results.

>

> www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d7fb961f87f6a42

>

> Interesting I do *not* see channel 8 listed which is an NBC affiliate

> which others say I'm supposed to pull in.



I take that to be WFLA, which is on RF channel 7 now. There is not a real strong signal where you are, and, those VHF channels require some patience.

>

> I'm not very familiar with types of tv antennas but I did take photos of

> them.

>

> Could I please have your permission to e-mail them you as jpgs off list?

>

It would be best to post them in the "Photos" section of the group. Everybody will get a shot at them then. Post to the group that they are in the photos section, and what you named the pics.



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#472 Jan 7 12:21 PM

On 01/07/2012 08:58 AM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi jhtaylor and Dale,

>

> Thank you so much for sharing tvfool.com

>

> Here are my results.

>

> www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d7fb961f87f6a42

>

> Interesting I do *not* see channel 8 listed which is an NBC affiliate

> which others say I'm supposed to pull in.

>

> I'm not very familiar with types of tv antennas but I did take photos of

> them.

>

> Could I please have your permission to e-mail them you as jpgs off list?

>

> Thank you again for all your much appreciated help.

>

> Charles.

>



By your tvfool you will need a combo antenna that can pick up VHF-lo and

hi as well as UHF.

Your tvfool didn't include a height. Do you know how tall your antenna

is off the ground?

Your biggest problem is you have good signals from 3 directions.

If you want to pull in them all you will need a rotor so you can turn

the antenna, or you can try a bi-directional antenna.



www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=MS2002&d=Winegard-MS2002-Metrostar-VHFUHF-Amplified-Omnidirectional-TV-Antenna-(MS2002)&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=

www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=MS2002&d=Winegard-MS2002-Metrostar-VHFUHF-Amplified-Omnidirectional-TV-Antenna-%28MS2002%29&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=>>

store03.prostores.com/servlet/dennysantennaservicestore/the-105/tv-antenna-winegard-gs/Detail>

The problem with the bi and omni-directional antennas are they don't

pick up as far, but they don't need a rotor.



You could also build a pretty good bi-directional antenna.

The Stealth Hawk www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=123803

The Centipede www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=120479

or a Gray Hoverman without a reflector

www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=81982

Last a bowtie antenna without a reflector will be bi-directional

www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=100137

Anyone of these are really good UHF antennas. Only the Stealth Hawk,

Centipede and bowtie have any decent VHF gain.



As jhtaylor said post your pictures in the group photos section where we

can see them.



Last, looking at your tvfool, what do you really want to recieve on that

list. That will tell us what antenna will be best for you or if the

antenna you have will work once you post the pictures.







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#473 Jan 7 12:58 PM

Hello,

For WFLA its real channel # is channel 7 ( according to Wikipedia ).

I think that an antenna that has VHF-hi (channel 7 to 13 ) should work.

Can.I get a picture of the antenna ?

Thank you,

Mike - A four year serious hobbist.



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#474 Jan 8 8:15 AM

Hi Guys,



I just uploaded 5 photos to the group.



Wikipedia is mistaken. NBC - Tampa is channel 8 and has been for years.



I'd like to add....



NBC - Channel 8 - www.wfla.com/

CBS - Channel 10 - www.wtsp.com/default.aspx



and keep my other channels - ABC (Ch 40 Sarasota, Ch 28 ), CBS (WINK TV

Channel 11), Fox (ch 13) and my public stations 3-1. 3-4, 16-1, 16-4

WEDU, WUSF



WINK TV on Thursday announced they were upgrading and to download your

stations again. I did that last night and got more stations including an

NBC affiliate - Ch 20.



I was able to watch the Saints - Lions game for about an hour and then

it started pixelating and then lost the transmission for an hour. It

returned with clarity for another hour and then with 3 minutes left in

the game it started pixelating again and then lost the picture for the

rest of the game.



I'm not sure how tall my antennas are since I didn't install them and

they stand high on the roof. Neighbors who just use their antennas say

we're in a very good area for reception as there are a couple of towers

directly feeding us and they get excellent reception for the stations I

want.



They bought their houses with the antennas so they have no idea how they

are configured to get that great reception nor what kind of antennas

they are. The man who installed the 2 antennas on our roof was a ham

radio operator so he would have purchased good antennas and installed

them well.



There was mention of a rotor - are you suggesting we'll have to

constantly rotate the antennas?



I seem to have a booster on one of the wires under the house but maybe I

need one or a new one attached directly to the antennas on the roof?



Thank you,



Charles.







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#475 Jan 8 11:55 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> Hi Guys,

>

> I just uploaded 5 photos to the group.

>

> Wikipedia is mistaken. NBC - Tampa is channel 8 and has been for years.

>

> I'd like to add....

>

> NBC - Channel 8 - www.wfla.com/

> CBS - Channel 10 - www.wtsp.com/default.aspx

>

WFLA is in fact on channel 7, although recievers will indicate 8. Its one of the deceptive parts of DTV. It matters in this case mostly because many tuners will not lock on the "Virtual" channel (8 in this case) unless it is in the scan. This mess was to allow stations to keep their analog channel designation no matter what digital channel was assigned. None of my tuners will lock onto the "Virtual" channel unless it is in the scan. So, if I want to add a station not in the scan, I have to punch in the actual channel the station is on; if the tuner recieves it, the TV will display the "virtual" channel. WTSP is on channel 10, and its "virtual" channel is 10 also.

Your top antenna seems appropriate for what you want. It should pick up any station. The lower one seems to be a UHF antenna that probably won't help with 7 and 10.





> and keep my other channels - ABC (Ch 40 Sarasota, Ch 28 ), CBS (WINK TV

> Channel 11), Fox (ch 13) and my public stations 3-1. 3-4, 16-1, 16-4

> WEDU, WUSF

>

> WINK TV on Thursday announced they were upgrading and to download your

> stations again. I did that last night and got more stations including an

> NBC affiliate - Ch 20.

>

> I was able to watch the Saints - Lions game for about an hour and then

> it started pixelating and then lost the transmission for an hour. It

> returned with clarity for another hour and then with 3 minutes left in

> the game it started pixelating again and then lost the picture for the

> rest of the game.

>

> I'm not sure how tall my antennas are since I didn't install them and

> they stand high on the roof. Neighbors who just use their antennas say

> we're in a very good area for reception as there are a couple of towers

> directly feeding us and they get excellent reception for the stations I

> want.

>

> They bought their houses with the antennas so they have no idea how they

> are configured to get that great reception nor what kind of antennas

> they are. The man who installed the 2 antennas on our roof was a ham

> radio operator so he would have purchased good antennas and installed

> them well.

>

> There was mention of a rotor - are you suggesting we'll have to

> constantly rotate the antennas?

Given the directions and signal strengths involved, a rotor is probably the best option. Putting a rotor on the top antenna seems like the solution. Its possible that by pointing the top antenna at magnetic north, you could recieve both 10 and 7. But, that will probably compromise other stations. So, the best way is with a rotor. If you have a pre-amp, adding another won't help. You need to investigate and see. WINK (Virtual 9) moved from its old actual channel 11 to channel 50. Your reciver will still say 9. I can only suggest the rotor. You can recieve some of the UHF stations off the side of an antenna, but probably not the VHF, so, I see the rotor as the solution.



This all seems complicated, but, there is some advantage to getting stations from more than one market, as you can. If you decide to use an antenna with a rotor, you can come back to the board to get help getting the stations in the scan on you set.



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#476 Jan 8 11:59 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "jhtaylor2001" jhtaylor2001@...> wrote: >

>. WINK (Virtual 9) moved from its old actual channel 11 to channel 50. Your reciver will still say 9.

-

I need to correct that. WINK is on virtual channel 11. I transposed the numbers. Its old actual chaannel was 9, now 50. Sorry.



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#477 Jan 8 1:27 PM

Hello,

Are you sure that Wikipedia is mistaken ?

Do you understand that the displayed.channel on the TV screen.is.often not.the REAL channel?

.

Mike - Four year serious hobbist



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#478 Jan 8 2:46 PM

Hello,

The TV antenna picture you posted, I have trouble trying to see from that angle...

Your picture of your longest antenna looks like it might be of a good design.

Which could be VHF-lo (2-6), also VHF-hi (7-13) & UHF (14-69).

The longest rods on the back of the antenna is often for the lower channels ( 2-13 ).

The front of the antenna that is very narrow is often for the UHF channels (14-69 ).

The other shorter antenna, I do not have experience on. Probably for UHF (14-69 ).

.

OF the many TV antenna reception Websites out there, many of them have outdated infomation. Even though these Websites do a fantastic job, I can usually find wrong information on them.

.

TVfool seems to be a good Website, but I have trained myself on

Antennaweb.org (not antennaweb.com).

I feel that Antennaweb.org.has a cleaner display that TVfool does not have.

I wish that Antennaweb.org would update thier data-base, though.

.

Will you please try Antennaweb.org, & let me have your results?

1. In your antenna height section click on

... "Other" - feet above.ground level

... then put in 100 feet high to get your results

.

Then try step # 2.

do the same thing again

click on "Other" - feet above ground level

but put in 10,000 feet to try to get your DXing results.

.

Mike - A four year serious hobbist

.



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#479 Jan 8 3:08 PM

On 12-01-08 11:15 AM, charles meyer wrote:

> There was mention of a rotor - are you suggesting we'll have to

> constantly rotate the antennas?



If you have stations in two different directions. one soultion is to

have a way to turn your antenna to point at each station when you wish

to see it. For example if one staion was due east and one due south,

you would turn the antenna to point east to see the first station, and

the turn it again of you wanted to see the south station. The

alternative is to have more than one antenna and aim one in each direction.



> I seem to have a booster on one of the wires under the house but maybe I

> need one or a new one attached directly to the antennas on the roof?



More than one booster is not normally effective and in some cases older

boosters which only slightly degraded reception on an analogue signal

(say a bit of smearing) may really upset Digital. Also one should check

to see if the booster is still getting power. The former owners of you

home may have taken the power supply with them when they left as it is a

small box that is attached to the cable where it enters the house. The

box plugs into the wall to get power and transforms it into a form of

power the booster can use.



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#480 Jan 8 3:52 PM

On 01/08/2012 10:15 AM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Guys,

>

> I just uploaded 5 photos to the group.

>

> Wikipedia is mistaken. NBC - Tampa is channel 8 and has been for years.

>

> I'd like to add....

>

> NBC - Channel 8 - www.wfla.com/

> CBS - Channel 10 - www.wtsp.com/default.aspx

>

> and keep my other channels - ABC (Ch 40 Sarasota, Ch 28 ), CBS (WINK TV

> Channel 11), Fox (ch 13) and my public stations 3-1. 3-4, 16-1, 16-4

> WEDU, WUSF



If you look in your tvfool report you will see "Real" and "Virtual" channel.

The "Real" channel is what the station is using to broadcast there feed.

The "Virtual" channel is what you will see displayed on your television.

As has been said this is the bad thing about DTV because it is making it

confusing for those that haven't had any experience with OTA television.

>

> WINK TV on Thursday announced they were upgrading and to download your

> stations again. I did that last night and got more stations including an

> NBC affiliate - Ch 20.

>

> I was able to watch the Saints - Lions game for about an hour and then

> it started pixelating and then lost the transmission for an hour. It

> returned with clarity for another hour and then with 3 minutes left in

> the game it started pixelating again and then lost the picture for the

> rest of the game.

>

> I'm not sure how tall my antennas are since I didn't install them and

> they stand high on the roof. Neighbors who just use their antennas say

> we're in a very good area for reception as there are a couple of towers

> directly feeding us and they get excellent reception for the stations I

> want.

>

> They bought their houses with the antennas so they have no idea how they

> are configured to get that great reception nor what kind of antennas

> they are. The man who installed the 2 antennas on our roof was a ham

> radio operator so he would have purchased good antennas and installed

> them well.

>

> There was mention of a rotor - are you suggesting we'll have to

> constantly rotate the antennas?

>

> I seem to have a booster on one of the wires under the house but maybe I

> need one or a new one attached directly to the antennas on the roof?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Charles.

>

I can make out a rotor on your top antenna and from the fuzzy photos it

looks like the top antenna is a combo. As has been said it is hard to

tell what kind though cause I can't see the whole antenna and the photos

are fuzzy. The bottom antenna to me looks like a VHF-hi antenna but

can't be sure without better photos.

You will have to find the control box to your rotor, hopefully the

previous owner left it for you.

You will also have to make sure you have the inside power inserter that

goes to your pre-amp, although I can't tell if you have one by your photos.

There are many types of power inserters and it would be hard to tell you

what you should be looking for.

Most newer one look kinda like a splitter.



Your problem with your NBC affiliate could be because your antenna isn't

aimed properly.





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Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

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#481 Jan 9 7:48 AM

Hi Guys,



My humble apologies.



I did *not* know there were virtual channel numbers hence my confusion

about NBC being channel 8 when they advertise that all over the screen

when you watch the channel and their Web site.



Thank you so much for clarifying all that for me. That's very helpful.



The prior owners were my fiance's mom and dad who lived in the house

since it was built so they would not have taken anything.



My apologies for the photos. They are from the ground and I'm not a

trained photographer so I...wait for it...took my best shot!



I think there's merit in the suggestion that maybe the VHF antena is not

angled exaclty correctly. I've never been on a roof to adjust a roof

atnenna, I've only used rabbit ears on a TV set. I'm not sure if the

antenna twists easily or you need a pipe wrench or how it all works.



Would the rotor have a remote which could send a signal to turn the

antenna 3 degrees to the right? There are many remotes in the house so

maybe I should look for a remote with a certain company name?



I can try to get closer to the roof to take clearer photos if that would

help?



This is all so foreign territory for me so I appreciate all your help.



Thank you so much,



Charles.



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#482 Jan 9 11:39 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> Hi Guys,

>

> My humble apologies.

>

> I did *not* know there were virtual channel numbers hence my confusion

> about NBC being channel 8 when they advertise that all over the screen

> when you watch the channel and their Web site.

>

> Thank you so much for clarifying all that for me. That's very helpful.

>

> The prior owners were my fiance's mom and dad who lived in the house

> since it was built so they would not have taken anything.

>

> My apologies for the photos. They are from the ground and I'm not a

> trained photographer so I...wait for it...took my best shot!

>

> I think there's merit in the suggestion that maybe the VHF antena is not

> angled exaclty correctly. I've never been on a roof to adjust a roof

> atnenna, I've only used rabbit ears on a TV set. I'm not sure if the

> antenna twists easily or you need a pipe wrench or how it all works.

>

> Would the rotor have a remote which could send a signal to turn the

> antenna 3 degrees to the right? There are many remotes in the house so

> maybe I should look for a remote with a certain company name?

>

If your top antenna is already mount in a rotor motor, you might be able to turn it by hand. I'd take some lubticating spray up with me. And the pipe wrench, and maybe some sockets and a driver. But, I've added two enhanced versions of your photos, which suggest you have a

gable (eave) mount, which means you may not have to go as far up as the roof. You might ne able to turn the antenna at the mount. You will need to go all the way up to investigate the rotor, though.



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#483 Jan 9 1:32 PM

On 01/09/2012 09:48 AM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Guys,

>

> My humble apologies.

>

> I did *not* know there were virtual channel numbers hence my confusion

> about NBC being channel 8 when they advertise that all over the screen

> when you watch the channel and their Web site.

>

> Thank you so much for clarifying all that for me. That's very helpful.

>

> The prior owners were my fiance's mom and dad who lived in the house

> since it was built so they would not have taken anything.

>

> My apologies for the photos. They are from the ground and I'm not a

> trained photographer so I...wait for it...took my best shot!

>

> I think there's merit in the suggestion that maybe the VHF antena is not

> angled exaclty correctly. I've never been on a roof to adjust a roof

> atnenna, I've only used rabbit ears on a TV set. I'm not sure if the

> antenna twists easily or you need a pipe wrench or how it all works.

>

> Would the rotor have a remote which could send a signal to turn the

> antenna 3 degrees to the right? There are many remotes in the house so

> maybe I should look for a remote with a certain company name?

>

> I can try to get closer to the roof to take clearer photos if that would

> help?

>

> This is all so foreign territory for me so I appreciate all your help.

>

> Thank you so much,

>

> Charles.

>



That one device on your mast could be a pre-amplifier.

With the enhanced photo it doesn't look like a rotor.

It's still hard to tell.

It looks like your antenna mast goes down to the ground?

If that is the case you might be able to turn it from there.



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#484 Jan 10 10:31 AM

Hi jhtaylor and Dale,



Jh - thank you so much for enhancing the photos. I wish I was a better

photographer!



The antennae is attached to a long metal pole which is dug into the

ground right next to the house and extends high up above the roof.



I've tried to rotate the pole with my hands while I'm standing on the

ground but it doesn't budge.



I'm not sure if there is a pipe wrench around or what one looks like?



Driver?



I know what one looks like if we're talking golf clubs - otherwise not

sure what a driver is or looks like.



The roof is very steep so I'm not sure if I can get to the antenna.



If that is a rotor would that suggest there might be a remote to turn it?



Thanks so much for all your help and troubleshooting.



Charles.



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#485 Jan 10 10:54 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> Hi jhtaylor and Dale,

>

> Jh - thank you so much for enhancing the photos. I wish I was a better

> photographer!

>

> The antennae is attached to a long metal pole which is dug into the

> ground right next to the house and extends high up above the roof.

>

> I've tried to rotate the pole with my hands while I'm standing on the

> ground but it doesn't budge.

>

> I'm not sure if there is a pipe wrench around or what one looks like?

>

> Driver?

>

> I know what one looks like if we're talking golf clubs - otherwise not

> sure what a driver is or looks like.



Sorry, I wasn't thinking, I meant a 4 iron. No, that's not right. I meant the device that the socket goes on and drives, or turns it. The mast, or pole, most likely has a mount on the house going up, to hold it. That might be very tight, and need loosening. I would dig around the mast and determine if it is set in concrete. If you can't turn the mast, then the only option is the mounts that secure the antennas to the mast. That'll mean going to the roof.



>

> The roof is very steep so I'm not sure if I can get to the antenna.

>

> If that is a rotor would that suggest there might be a remote to turn it?

>

The rotor will probably have a 4 strand wire coming from it, if it is hooked up, and if there is a rotor. The only photo you have of wiring seems to be of the electrical service coming into the house. It sems there may be more investigating to do.



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#486 Jan 10 6:04 PM

On 12-01-10 01:31 PM, charles meyer wrote:

> The antennae is attached to a long metal pole which is dug into the

> ground right next to the house and extends high up above the roof.

>

> I've tried to rotate the pole with my hands while I'm standing on the

> ground but it doesn't budge.

>

> I'm not sure if there is a pipe wrench around or what one looks like?



Large wrench with teeth on the jaws, which can grab a pipe and give much

leverage to turn it



www.princessauto.com/pal/category/1000-360-453-729-333/Pipe-Wrenches



www.princessauto.com/pal/product/2921922/Pipe-Wrenches/36-in.-Cast-Iron-Pipe-Wrench



> If that is a rotor would that suggest there might be a remote to turn it?



Normally, there would be a control box which would be wired up to the

rotator and that may well have a remote.

> Thanks so much for all your help and troubleshooting.



Silly idea, but I noticed in your photos that you have an Wall outlet

with TWO TV antena connectors. I wonder if perhaps your two antenas are

on the two separate connectors and that in the past a switch was used

depending on which station was to be viewed.



Might be interesting to try the OTHER socket and do a scan to see if you

get a different set of stations. Having to scan everytime is one of the

real disadvantages of the new way transmit TV.



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#487 Jan 11 4:00 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...> wrote: >

> Silly idea, but I noticed in your photos that you have an Wall outlet

> with TWO TV antena connectors. I wonder if perhaps your two antenas are

> on the two separate connectors and that in the past a switch was used

> depending on which station was to be viewed.

>

> Might be interesting to try the OTHER socket and do a scan to see if you

> get a different set of stations. Having to scan everytime is one of the

> real disadvantages of the new way transmit TV.

>

This does not seem a silly idea. What is or is not coming by wire from the antennas is most of the purpose of these exercises. Everything that can be discovered is of value.



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#488 Jan 11 4:32 AM

It seems pretty clear to me from the photos that the box below the antennas is a preamplifier, not a rotor. Regards--Paul



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>>> "jhtaylor2001" jhtaylor2001@...> 1/11/2012 7:00 AM >>>







--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...> wrote:

>

> Silly idea, but I noticed in your photos that you have an Wall outlet

> with TWO TV antena connectors. I wonder if perhaps your two antenas are

> on the two separate connectors and that in the past a switch was used

> depending on which station was to be viewed.

>

> Might be interesting to try the OTHER socket and do a scan to see if you

> get a different set of stations. Having to scan everytime is one of the

> real disadvantages of the new way transmit TV.

>

This does not seem a silly idea. What is or is not coming by wire from the antennas is most of the purpose of these exercises. Everything that can be discovered is of value.









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#489 Jan 11 6:36 AM

Hi jhtaylor and Charles,



A fellow duffer! I actually need your help even more on the course.

What's my handicap? The clubs, the ball, bag, swing - you name it!



Thanks for the suggestion about checking for concrete. I don't think it

is based in concrete but I'll dig around there and check.



I may have to visit Sears and add a pipe wrench to my Crastman collection.



Thank you both.



Charles.



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#490 Jan 12 10:28 AM

That photo I think was taken many months ago so I'm not sure where that

wall outlet is.



Might that be the one the current TV is connected to?



There are TV wall outlets in every room but then I think they were

disconnected years ago for DirecTV and/or FIOS so the wires I see in the

attic from the antenna are connected somewhere to something but it's not

obvious, just by pulling on the wires, to what each wire is connected.



Also,the small crawel space is not easy to negotiate and I don't think

there is flooring to walk around on.



Thank you.



Charles.



--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...> wrote:

>

> Silly idea, but I noticed in your photos that you have an Wall outlet

> with TWO TV antena connectors.



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#491 Jan 12 12:59 PM

On 12-01-12 01:28 PM, charles meyer wrote: > That photo I think was taken many months ago so I'm not sure where that

> wall outlet is.

>

> Might that be the one the current TV is connected to?



Does the wall outlet your set is Currently connected to have two TV

connectors?

> Also,the small crawel space is not easy to negotiate and I don't think

> there is flooring to walk around on.



Seeing what is available on the various TV connectors is the first step.

I would not be surprised the folk who installed the original antenas

just ran cable from each to the double wall outlet. You can use a

mirror or some such if you have to trace the wires back to the antennas.



The two antennas in your pictures are aimed in slightly different

directions, likely to aim at the sites of the local transmission towers.

Those often don't change with the switch to digital.





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#492 Jan 15 9:53 AM

OK, some progress.



There is no concrete base to the pole outside which holds up the 2 antennas.



It's just dug in a dirt hole.



I tried rotating the pole with my hands but it doesn't budge.



I don't have a pipe wrench - other wrenches but not a big one with teeth.



There's a coaxial cable wire which protrudes from all 4 rooms but the

only one which brings TV reception in with the digital converter box is

the bedroom socket which has 2 socket protruding connectors.



I hooked up a TV and converted box room by room and only the bedroom works.



I looked as best I could into the attic and there are 6 cables which

appear to come from the antennas but where they go from here is very

difficult to determine.



I pull on them and they are not loose.



I think originally when the 2 antennas were installed TV reception was

possible in every room - that was pre-digital conversion.



Now there appears to be a coaxial cable coming out of a wall in every

room that was once connected to DirectTV and then FIOS optic cable but

neither DirecTV nor FIOS TV is used now.



I downloaded the channels once again and now I've lost a local ABC

station (ch 40 WWSB ) and WUSF Public TV (ch 16) but gained ch 20 WBBH -

an NBC station.



Sometimes ch 20 WBBH comes in clearly and other times it pixelates so

the signal is lost.



I still do not get ch 7 WFLA - NBC.



I'm not sure what my next steps should be.



I'll have to create a back up plan for NBC for Feb 5 - Super Bowl as ch

20 WBBH (NBC) has been inconsistent in its reception.



Thanks for your further thoughts and help.



Charles.



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#493 Jan 15 11:41 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> OK, some progress.

>

> There is no concrete base to the pole outside which holds up the 2 antennas.

>

> It's just dug in a dirt hole.

>

> I tried rotating the pole with my hands but it doesn't budge.

>

> I don't have a pipe wrench - other wrenches but not a big one with teeth.

>

> There's a coaxial cable wire which protrudes from all 4 rooms but the

> only one which brings TV reception in with the digital converter box is

> the bedroom socket which has 2 socket protruding connectors.

>

> I hooked up a TV and converted box room by room and only the bedroom works.

>

> I looked as best I could into the attic and there are 6 cables which

> appear to come from the antennas but where they go from here is very

> difficult to determine.

>

> I pull on them and they are not loose.

>

> I think originally when the 2 antennas were installed TV reception was

> possible in every room - that was pre-digital conversion.

>

> Now there appears to be a coaxial cable coming out of a wall in every

> room that was once connected to DirectTV and then FIOS optic cable but

> neither DirecTV nor FIOS TV is used now.

>

> I downloaded the channels once again and now I've lost a local ABC

> station (ch 40 WWSB ) and WUSF Public TV (ch 16) but gained ch 20 WBBH -

> an NBC station.

>

> Sometimes ch 20 WBBH comes in clearly and other times it pixelates so

> the signal is lost.

>

> I still do not get ch 7 WFLA - NBC.

>

> I'm not sure what my next steps should be.

>

> I'll have to create a back up plan for NBC for Feb 5 - Super Bowl as ch

> 20 WBBH (NBC) has been inconsistent in its reception.

>

> Thanks for your further thoughts and help.

>

> Charles.

>

I think you need to find out if you are actually getting ANYTHING from either antenna. Are all the cables that seem to be coming from the antenna the same round coaxial cable?







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#494 Jan 16 8:52 AM

Yes, all the cables are identical.



I don't subscribe to FIOS TV or Direct TV so the 2 antennas are

delivering the stations but just to the bedroom and not all the stations.



I think I would need someone physically here to resolve this.



No one uses roof antennas anymore around here. They all subscribe to

FIOS TV or DirecTV or have the antennas already situated when they moved in.



People don't know how to fix, install, adjust TV roof antennas much

anymore so it's difficult to find anyone who has any experience with them.



The pat answer is to simply subscribe to FIOS TV or DirecTV.



This is a solvable problem but I don;t have the experience nor does

anyone else in the vicinity I'd trust.



I could use those guys who landed on the beach at Normandy who had to

jury rig equipment to plow through the thick French hedges! Or the

engineers who managed to land and leave the moon.



Thank you all for your help.



Much appreciated.



Charles.





Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "jhtaylor2001" jhtaylor2001@... jhtaylor2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:41 am (PST)



snip>



I think you need to find out if you are actually getting ANYTHING from

either antenna. Are all the cables that seem to be coming from the

antenna the same round coaxial cable?



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#495 Jan 16 9:42 AM

On 01/16/2012 10:52 AM, charles meyer wrote: > Yes, all the cables are identical.

>

> I don't subscribe to FIOS TV or Direct TV so the 2 antennas are

> delivering the stations but just to the bedroom and not all the stations.

>

> I think I would need someone physically here to resolve this.

>

> No one uses roof antennas anymore around here. They all subscribe to

> FIOS TV or DirecTV or have the antennas already situated when they moved in.

>

> People don't know how to fix, install, adjust TV roof antennas much

> anymore so it's difficult to find anyone who has any experience with them.

>

> The pat answer is to simply subscribe to FIOS TV or DirecTV.

>

> This is a solvable problem but I don;t have the experience nor does

> anyone else in the vicinity I'd trust.

>

> I could use those guys who landed on the beach at Normandy who had to

> jury rig equipment to plow through the thick French hedges! Or the

> engineers who managed to land and leave the moon.

>

> Thank you all for your help.

>

> Much appreciated.

>

> Charles.

>

>



Charles, there is a lot of knowledgeable people as well as the

information you might need to understand how you can fix your problems

at this web forum.



www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81



I think most of your problems are your antennas aren't properly aimed.

If you want to distribute the antenna feeds to the other rooms that have

the outlets already it would be a matter of finding where they all

originate from.

But you need to fix your aiming issue first before you introduce more

system loss.

All coax and splitters have loss, thus the reason for the pre-amplifier

that is installed in your system.



If Directv or FIOS was used then the origination is usually near where

the dish is or was installed.

There will be a diplexer which looks similar to a splitter near that

point. You can then find all your coax ends there except for possibly

that one coax from the antenna.



I believe you will have to get on the roof and aim those antennas to

improve your reception.

You can determine a starting point of where to aim each antenna by using

your tvfool information.

But remember VHF-lo is channels 2 to 6 VHF-hi is channels 7 to 13 and

UHF is channels 14 to 52.

I remind you of this because as near as I can tell by your previous

pictures the bottom antenna looks to possibly be a VHF-hi only antenna.

Without knowing the dimensions of that antenna, I couldn't tell you what

it is for sure.



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#496 Jan 16 1:09 PM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote: >

> Yes, all the cables are identical.

>

> I don't subscribe to FIOS TV or Direct TV so the 2 antennas are

> delivering the stations but just to the bedroom and not all the stations.

>

> I think I would need someone physically here to resolve this.

>

> No one uses roof antennas anymore around here. They all subscribe to

> FIOS TV or DirecTV or have the antennas already situated when they moved in.

>

> People don't know how to fix, install, adjust TV roof antennas much

> anymore so it's difficult to find anyone who has any experience with them.

>

> The pat answer is to simply subscribe to FIOS TV or DirecTV.

>

> This is a solvable problem but I don;t have the experience nor does

> anyone else in the vicinity I'd trust.

>

> I could use those guys who landed on the beach at Normandy who had to

> jury rig equipment to plow through the thick French hedges! Or the

> engineers who managed to land and leave the moon.

>

> Thank you all for your help.

>

> Much appreciated.

>

> Charles.

>

Those hedgerows might have been simple compared to facing all the unknowns you have. Getting a subscription to a progran provider for a while might be what you need to do. But I would not surrender. Keep thinking on it. If you call in somebody who might supply by cable, watch what is done, and ask questions. An installer might answer all your questions.







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#497 Jan 16 2:52 PM

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote:

> **

>

> People don't know how to fix, install, adjust TV roof antennas much

> anymore so it's difficult to find anyone who has any experience with them.

>



I would think that someone who does know about roof antennas---how to site

survey, select, install and adjust could make a killing these

days----they'd have the market all to themselves.



Rob





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#499 Jan 16 4:53 PM

On 12-01-16 05:52 PM, Robert Williams wrote:

> I would think that someone who does know about roof antennas---how to site

> survey, select, install and adjust could make a killing these

> days----they'd have the market all to themselves.



Folks who are in that business tend to be in rural areas, and may be

putting their talents more to the Satellite TV and Satellite or

multipoint internet market. If you put up satalite antennas for a

living you get paid a fixed rate per unit by the Satellite Provider and

don't have to worry about engineering signal splitters/combiners and such.



Then there are the folks who do commercial antenna work, and they may

dabble in Wind power these days.



O do small antennas "right" you almost need a boom truck or a cherry

picker, perhaps both. and you still end up climbing shaky- rusty towers

when you can't get the truck into position because the tower is at the

back of the house.



If you can't find a antenna installer firm in your are, perhaps asking

at a technical school or community college may give you a lead on

someone who can do it, also a Mobile Radio shop may have some contacts

in the field.





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#500 Jan 16 5:15 PM

Antenna Installation Business:

For an.Antenna Installation Business to succeed to cost would be prohibitive.

Lets look at some numbers:.there are about 33 weeks of glove free weather in the NE,assume 4.5 jobs per week, this gives ~150 jobs/year..A bucket is a must have to keep insurance cost down & one health, a used one is ~$25k, (use a 2yr loan)..Add $5k for tools & stock, $5k to run & park the truck, $5K for the Back- office, with the installer getting $50k..This gives a total of $77.5k,Now ($77.5k/year) / (150 jobs/year) equals $517/job, then add $200 for HW!

Now compare this to $50/month ($600/yr) for Sat. or $70/month ($840) for Cable both whichfold the installation cost into the monthly bill. This make the upfront cost of a roof mounted antenna a hard sell. Even though the $700 over five years is $140 or $11.7/month, combine this with most of the of new shows moving to Cable, still a hard sell..



...DD

--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Robert Williams will7370@...> wrote:



From: Robert Williams will7370@...>

Subject: Re: [TV_Antennas] TV Antennas - Getting NBC

To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 5:52 PM

































.



















On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM, charles meyer chasm@...> wrote:







> **



>



> People don't know how to fix, install, adjust TV roof antennas much



> anymore so it's difficult to find anyone who has any experience with them.



>







I would think that someone who does know about roof antennas---how to site



survey, select, install and adjust could make a killing these



days----they'd have the market all to themselves.







Rob







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#501 Jan 17 10:29 AM

On 01/16/2012 04:52 PM, Robert Williams wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM, charles meyerchasm@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>> People don't know how to fix, install, adjust TV roof antennas much

>> anymore so it's difficult to find anyone who has any experience with them.

>>

> I would think that someone who does know about roof antennas---how to site

> survey, select, install and adjust could make a killing these

> days----they'd have the market all to themselves.

>

> Rob

>



I would help him out but he lives 2 states away. :)

Maybe he can find a ham close to him that would be willing to help.



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#502 Jan 17 11:04 AM

Hi Charles,



Thank you for your kind thoughts and good suggestions.



a Mobile Radio shop - I'm not quite sure what that is exactly?



Is ham radio? Would those kinds of shops be listed in the yellow pages?

Otherwise, how might I locate one in my area? Just do an internet search

for Mobile Radio shops?



I also will follow up on your suggestions to contact a local community

college and there is a high tech high school whose instructors might

have some thoughts as well.



BTW, I've found using - www.ixquick.com/ - instead of Google

obtains even more and often better results and they don't collect info

on your searches to market to advertisers like Google does.



You might consider trying it for a week and see if it suits you. It's

free and easy to use.



I'm fond of the many free alternatives for the net.



Mozilla Firefox, PDF995 for creating PDFs (if you don't have a modern

version of Word or Open Office which can create PDFs) and there are

excellent free alternatives to Adobe products as well. Open Office and

Libre can do most of what Word and Excel do - for free.



Thank you again for all your help.



Charles.



Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Charles MacDonald" cmacd@... cmacd123

Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:53 pm (PST)



snip>



If you can't find a antenna installer firm in your are, perhaps asking

at a technical school or community college may give you a lead on

someone who can do it, also a Mobile Radio shop may have some contacts

in the field.



--

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#503 Jan 17 11:31 AM

Hi Dale,



Thank you ever so much for sharing this other forum.



I really appreciate that.



I think you're absolutely correct that the 2 roof antennas need to be

re-directed.



It's just that I have no experience in that. I don't own a pipe wrench

nor even know what size to get? Small? Medium? Large?



I've never crawled on a roof to adjust antenna angles so I don't know of

there is come kind of a compass-like device you sure to know that you're

adjusting the antenna 3 degrees NE or however you measure it.



Would the dimensions of each antenna and their respective manufacturer

be labeled on the antennas themselves? So, if I climbed on the roof and

looked at the antennas could I read their specs? Or do you just tape

measure them?



Then, there's the whole conundrum of why the coaxial wires don't deliver

TV reception to every room. Maybe there needs to be a pre-amp for each

room? Or a booster for each room? It's all above my pay scale!



We've had an unpleasant experience with FIOS so we're not pursuing them

and DirecTV pixelates as much as the antennas in this area which is why

people contracted with FIOS underground optical cable which is very

pricey and full of consumer traps.



I think this process will take some time.



Hopefully, the one NBC station we seem to get now won't pixelate for the

Super Bowl.



Meanwhile, I'll continue to learn about the antenna specs, tools I'll

need, what exactly must be done to 1). angle the 2 antennae correctly

and 2). supply TV reception to all 4 rooms and maybe connect with

someone who can at least stand on the ground while I'm on the roof

directing me about what to do/not do next.



Perhaps. there's a reality show in all this?! Charles - All Charged Up!

Next on NBC.



Thank you again for all your kind help.



Charles.



Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Dale Miller" stpatrick2@... kc2cbd

Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:42 am (PST)



snip>



Charles, there is a lot of knowledgeable people as well as the

information you might need to understand how you can fix your problems

at this web forum.



www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81



I think most of your problems are your antennas aren't properly aimed.

If you want to distribute the antenna feeds to the other rooms that have

the outlets already it would be a matter of finding where they all

originate from.

But you need to fix your aiming issue first before you introduce more

system loss.

All coax and splitters have loss, thus the reason for the pre-amplifier

that is installed in your system.



If Directv or FIOS was used then the origination is usually near where

the dish is or was installed.

There will be a diplexer which looks similar to a splitter near that

point. You can then find all your coax ends there except for possibly

that one coax from the antenna.



I believe you will have to get on the roof and aim those antennas to

improve your reception.

You can determine a starting point of where to aim each antenna by using

your tvfool information.

But remember VHF-lo is channels 2 to 6 VHF-hi is channels 7 to 13 and

UHF is channels 14 to 52.

I remind you of this because as near as I can tell by your previous

pictures the bottom antenna looks to possibly be a VHF-hi only antenna.

Without knowing the dimensions of that antenna, I couldn't tell you what

it is for sure.



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Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

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#504 Jan 17 12:58 PM

On 01/17/2012 01:31 PM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Dale,

>

> Thank you ever so much for sharing this other forum.

>

> I really appreciate that.

>

> I think you're absolutely correct that the 2 roof antennas need to be

> re-directed.

>

> It's just that I have no experience in that. I don't own a pipe wrench

> nor even know what size to get? Small? Medium? Large?

>

> I've never crawled on a roof to adjust antenna angles so I don't know of

> there is come kind of a compass-like device you sure to know that you're

> adjusting the antenna 3 degrees NE or however you measure it.

>

> Would the dimensions of each antenna and their respective manufacturer

> be labeled on the antennas themselves? So, if I climbed on the roof and

> looked at the antennas could I read their specs? Or do you just tape

> measure them?



I'm not aware of any antennas having any labels other than the yellow

warning sticker.

You would have to measure the elements and document there lengths and

spacings.

>

> Then, there's the whole conundrum of why the coaxial wires don't deliver

> TV reception to every room. Maybe there needs to be a pre-amp for each

> room? Or a booster for each room? It's all above my pay scale!

>

> We've had an unpleasant experience with FIOS so we're not pursuing them

> and DirecTV pixelates as much as the antennas in this area which is why

> people contracted with FIOS underground optical cable which is very

> pricey and full of consumer traps.



We didn't any problem with Directv other than the cost kept going up,

same with Dish Network.

> I think this process will take some time.



Yes it is a learning experience. If you can find a Ham Operator (Amateur

Radio) near you, they might be willing to help you with your problem.

You could see if there is a Amateur Radio club in your area.

You might be surprised to find out you have a friend that is an Ham.

You live in Florida right?

>

> Hopefully, the one NBC station we seem to get now won't pixelate for the

> Super Bowl.

>

> Meanwhile, I'll continue to learn about the antenna specs, tools I'll

> need, what exactly must be done to 1). angle the 2 antennae correctly

> and 2). supply TV reception to all 4 rooms and maybe connect with

> someone who can at least stand on the ground while I'm on the roof

> directing me about what to do/not do next.

>

> Perhaps. there's a reality show in all this?! Charles - All Charged Up!

> Next on NBC.

>

> Thank you again for all your kind help.

>

> Charles.

>



--

All the Best& 73's

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Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



Registered Linux User: #317401

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#505 Jan 17 6:39 PM

On 12-01-17 02:04 PM, charles meyer wrote:

> a Mobile Radio shop - I'm not quite sure what that is exactly?



also known as 2-way-radio, Taxi radio etc.



The Local top firm in the field in my area is Christie and Walther, but

since they are local to Ottawa Ontario Canada they would not do you any

good.

www.cwcom.com/



Radio Communications, 2 way radio or brand names like ICOM or Yaseu

might find someone in the business in your are. They in turn may be

able to help you find someone who would be in the Business of fixing

antennas.



>

> Is ham radio? Would those kinds of shops be listed in the yellow pages?

>



Ham radio is a non commercial service, but there are often clubs in many

areas try a web search for "amateur radio" in your geographic area, or

local county or city name.



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#506 Jan 18 8:46 AM

Hi Dale,



Are you planning any trips to Florida's Gulf Coast?! :)



It's warm and beautiful this time of year full of wonderful fish.



How might you recommend I try to locate a Ham Radio club nearby?



Is there a Ham Radio Association in each state?



Ironically, the man who owned the house we're in owned a ham radio but

I've never operated one and there doesn't seem to be any documentation

about it here. I thought you had to pass a test regularly and obtain a

license to operate it?



When you mention measuring the *elements* - what precisely are

considered the elements of a roof antenna?



Yes, DirecTV became costly and coupled with the pixelating didn't make

it a viable option. The only other option is FIOS which has been a

nightmare.



Thank you again for all your kind help.



It's an adventure!



Charles.



Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Dale Miller" stpatrick2@... kc2cbd

Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:58 pm (PST)



snip>



I'm not aware of any antennas having any labels other than the yellow

warning sticker.

You would have to measure the elements and document there lengths and

spacings.



We didn't any problem with Directv other than the cost kept going up,

same with Dish Network.



Yes it is a learning experience. If you can find a Ham Operator

(Amateur

Radio) near you, they might be willing to help you with your problem.

You could see if there is a Amateur Radio club in your area.

You might be surprised to find out you have a friend that is an Ham.

You live in Florida right?







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#507 Jan 18 9:37 AM

On 12-01-18 11:46 AM, charles meyer wrote:

> How might you recommend I try to locate a Ham Radio club nearby?

> Ironically, the man who owned the house we're in owned a ham radio but

> I've never operated one and there doesn't seem to be any documentation

> about it here. I thought you had to pass a test regularly and obtain a

> license to operate it?



That is precisely why it was sugested you try to make friends with a HAM

operator. Folks who go through the licencing process to be allowed to

use HAM radio have a lot of study under their belt on how antennas and

radio (TV is really a special case of Radio) work.



I suspect that when your house the Satellite and or Fibre TV service

installed, the installer may have cut the Antenna wires so that they

could reuse the outlets and perhaps the cables in the house.



That is why we have been suggesting that you need to trace the wires

from the Antenna to the outlets and see what other equipment is

connected and if it still has Power going to it.



Each antena should have a cable comming int the House, (But the mystery

box on teh photo might be a "combiner" to let two antenas work into one

cable) If the Mystery box is a "booster" it would have had a companion

box inside the house to feed it power, a combiner does not need power.



THEN there would be "splitters" to divide the signal up to all your

outlets. Since you only seem to have any signal at one bedroom, the

rest of the woring may be disconnected.



The Boster if it exists may be on its last legs. To deal with six

outlets the original install may have included an distribution amp

somewhere in the basement or crawl space, or Utility room. It would

also need power. (all depends on the signal strenth.)



Your antennas were likly aimed at the stations in your area as they

existed at the time of install. It was common for a tech to take a

small TV set, or a signal Strength meter up the tower and Aim the

antennas for the best picture. Otherwise they used a helper and a

walkie talkie to guide the Tower guy as to the best location of the

antennas.



Generaly, but not always the stations kept the same transmitter site

when they switched to Digital but new stations may have picked a

different one. Arround here for example some of the Digital

transmitters ended up about 90 degrees away from the traditional Site on

the local mountain, being put on top of a local AM stations Transmission

Tower.



You need to find someone who can trace your wires.



At the sugestion of this group I got a small "Viore" brand 7 inch TV

set, a set like that would be great for checking the siganls at various

points in your system as it can be held in one hand.



--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

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#508 Jan 18 12:10 PM

On 01/18/2012 10:46 AM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Dale,

>

> Are you planning any trips to Florida's Gulf Coast?! :)

>

> It's warm and beautiful this time of year full of wonderful fish.

>

> How might you recommend I try to locate a Ham Radio club nearby?

>

> Is there a Ham Radio Association in each state?

>

> Ironically, the man who owned the house we're in owned a ham radio but

> I've never operated one and there doesn't seem to be any documentation

> about it here. I thought you had to pass a test regularly and obtain a

> license to operate it?

>

> When you mention measuring the *elements* - what precisely are

> considered the elements of a roof antenna?

>

> Yes, DirecTV became costly and coupled with the pixelating didn't make

> it a viable option. The only other option is FIOS which has been a

> nightmare.

>

> Thank you again for all your kind help.

>

> It's an adventure!

>

> Charles.

>



Here are some.

www.dxzone.com/catalog/Ham_Radio/Clubs/North_America/USA/Florida/



You can also do a google search for "ham radio clubs in florida".



Not planning any trips to Florida, and if I was I doubt the wife would

let me work on an antenna.

:o)





--

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Dale Miller, KC2CBD

Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



Registered Linux User: #317401

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#509 Jan 19 7:39 AM

Hi Charles,



I think you have pinpointed the exact issues.



One - I think some technician cut the antenna wires so they could

install DirecTV or FIOS so when I hook the coaxial cable coming out of

the wall in the other 3 rooms I get no TV signal.



I'm not sure how one reconnects each of those wires back to the antenna.



Two - There are more TV stations in the area now then when the house was

built so I'm sure you are correct in diagnosing that the antennas were

pointed to those stations.



I did follow up on your suggestion about trying to find a ham radio person.



They are not easy to find here. I contacted the director, assistant

director and 2 tech teachers at the most respected vocational tech

school and they knew nothing of any ham radio club nor did they know

about ham radios themselves.



I've also called electronic stores and they knew nothing about any ham

radio clubs.



I've contacted a couple of computer technicians and they knew nothing

about ham radio clubs.



I search engined amateur radio my area and found a club who used to meet

back in 2008. I've e-mailed their officers but I have not heard back. I

suppose it's a good thing in that the emails have not bounced - yet.



I will assiduously pursue finding a ham radio club or enthusiast as they

are generally smart people and knowledgeable about antennas, etc. I'm

happy to do any heavy lifting if someone could just stand back and

instruct me as to what to do.



Thank you so much for all your appreciated help with your suggestisn and

pinptoung the preocise issues.



I just need to find someone in the area who can stop by and direct me.



And maybe suggest which tools I'll need. I've got a pipe wrench on my

list, although I'm not sure which size is best.



Thank you again for your help and patience.



Charles.



Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Charles MacDonald" cmacd@... cmacd123

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:37 am (PST)



snip>



I suspect that when your house the Satellite and or Fibre TV service

installed, the installer may have cut the Antenna wires so that they

could reuse the outlets and perhaps the cables in the house.



That is why we have been suggesting that you need to trace the wires

from the Antenna to the outlets and see what other equipment is

connected and if it still has Power going to it.



Each antena should have a cable comming int the House, (But the mystery

box on teh photo might be a "combiner" to let two antenas work into one

cable) If the Mystery box is a "booster" it would have had a companion

box inside the house to feed it power, a combiner does not need power.



THEN there would be "splitters" to divide the signal up to all your

outlets. Since you only seem to have any signal at one bedroom, the

rest of the woring may be disconnected.



The Boster if it exists may be on its last legs. To deal with six

outlets the original install may have included an distribution amp

somewhere in the basement or crawl space, or Utility room. It would

also need power. (all depends on the signal strenth.)



Your antennas were likly aimed at the stations in your area as they

existed at the time of install. It was common for a tech to take a

small TV set, or a signal Strength meter up the tower and Aim the

antennas for the best picture. Otherwise they used a helper and a

walkie talkie to guide the Tower guy as to the best location of the

antennas.



Generaly, but not always the stations kept the same transmitter site

when they switched to Digital but new stations may have picked a

different one. Arround here for example some of the Digital

transmitters ended up about 90 degrees away from the traditional

Site on

the local mountain, being put on top of a local AM stations

Transmission

Tower.



You need to find someone who can trace your wires.



At the sugestion of this group I got a small "Viore" brand 7 inch TV

set, a set like that would be great for checking the siganls at various

points in your system as it can be held in one hand.







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#510 Jan 19 12:38 PM

Hi Dale,



Thank you so much for sharing that link.



I visited the Web sites for 3 of the closest orgs and their Web sites

list officer names and titles but not e-mails.



I've scoured their Web sites to locate any other e-mail addresses for

people associated with that org and e-mailed them. Hopefully I can

connect with one of the clubs.



I'm with your wife - you shouldn't be cavorting on roofs!



But, even if I can find help locally I'm happy to climb up on the roof

as long as a someone competent with experience can simply direct me as

to what I'm supposed to be doing.



Maybe this is what we'll do?



I'll strap on a camera and Skype with you and you can direct me from

your recliner in the comfort of your own home as to what I pull, twist,

tighten, weld, drain, flush...whatever it takes to get all 4 rooms TV

and all the stations I'm supposed to be able to receive!



I'll even have your favorite beer delivered so you can relax in Barker

Lounger.



On a more serious note, I see you're an Ubuntu user.



That's even more intriguing as I've just about had my fill of Windows

and all the troubleshooting, guessing and trial and error fixings it

requires.



There's so much more that makes sense about Linux - including that some

version are free.



Once XP is no longer supported I'm migrating to Linux. I have friends

who tired of all the work required of Windoze so they moved to Macs. No

problems or headaches and more time for work and fun.



Thank you again for all your kind and generous help.



Best,



Charles.



Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Dale Miller" stpatrick2@... kc2cbd

Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:10 pm (PST)



snip>



Here are some.



www.dxzone.com/catalog/Ham_Radio/Clubs/North_America/USA/Florida/



You can also do a google search for "ham radio clubs in florida".



Not planning any trips to Florida, and if I was I doubt the wife would

let me work on an antenna.

:o)



--

All the Best& 73's

Dale Miller, KC2CBD

Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



Registered Linux User: #317401

Linux since June 2003

Ubuntu User #26423



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#511 Jan 19 2:58 PM

On 01/19/2012 02:38 PM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Dale,

>

> Thank you so much for sharing that link.

>

> I visited the Web sites for 3 of the closest orgs and their Web sites

> list officer names and titles but not e-mails.



No problem.

>

> I've scoured their Web sites to locate any other e-mail addresses for

> people associated with that org and e-mailed them. Hopefully I can

> connect with one of the clubs.

>

> I'm with your wife - you shouldn't be cavorting on roofs!



Well I get on roofs for a living :o)

>

> But, even if I can find help locally I'm happy to climb up on the roof

> as long as a someone competent with experience can simply direct me as

> to what I'm supposed to be doing.

>

> Maybe this is what we'll do?

>

> I'll strap on a camera and Skype with you and you can direct me from

> your recliner in the comfort of your own home as to what I pull, twist,

> tighten, weld, drain, flush...whatever it takes to get all 4 rooms TV

> and all the stations I'm supposed to be able to receive!

>

> I'll even have your favorite beer delivered so you can relax in Barker

> Lounger.

Well that is a possibility :o)

You will need to acquire coax connectors and the tool to install them.

The best ones are compression connectors.

You can acquire the connectors and tools at Lowes or Home Depot or if

you have a Harbor Freight near you, you can get them there.

Sometimes the tool will come with some connectors as well.

>

> On a more serious note, I see you're an Ubuntu user.

>

> That's even more intriguing as I've just about had my fill of Windows

> and all the troubleshooting, guessing and trial and error fixings it

> requires.

>

> There's so much more that makes sense about Linux - including that some

> version are free.



They are all free to download and use.

There are some that are geared toward business, but there aren't many.

Of course I'm partial to Ubuntu, Debian and Slackware, but for the

average user Ubuntu is the best.

Slackware is not for a "newbie" Linux user, and mind you I have been

using Linux since 1998 and I'm still learning.

>

> Once XP is no longer supported I'm migrating to Linux. I have friends

> who tired of all the work required of Windoze so they moved to Macs. No

> problems or headaches and more time for work and fun.



Go here www.ubuntu.com/ for Ubuntu.

If you have a high speed internet connection you can download and burn a CD.

Ubuntu is pretty easy to setup and use, but as with any Linux Distro

there are somethings you will have to learn.

If all you want to do is surf the internet, use email and write

documents than your pretty much set.

If you have other wants and they entail Windows only programs then you

might be stuck with Windows.

It all depends on if "Wine" ( www.winehq.org/) will run it or

not, if it can then you will have no problems.

>

> Thank you again for all your kind and generous help.

>

> Best,

>

> Charles.

>

>

Your most welcome.

If you can get on your roof and you have a compass so you can aim your

antennas, and get us better pictures to see what is actually on that

mast we can help you better.

You will need to use a better camera to get us better resolution shots

of that antenna array.

I'm with everyone else that has responded that that box on your mast

could be a combiner.

If that is the case than we need to know if it is a UVSJ, if it is then

it is just a matter of getting your array aimed properly and then we can

get the system distribution ironed out after.

You really need to make sure that the antennas will work with one

individual downlead before splitting the signal.

Once you split the signal you may need a pre-amplifier, and you just

might need one before that.

If there isn't already a pre-amplifier in play then you will want a

decent one.

You will need to re-post your tvfool so I can help you determine your

options for a pre-amplifier.





--

All the Best& 73's

Dale Miller, KC2CBD

Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



Registered Linux User: #317401

Linux since June 2003

Ubuntu User #26423



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#512 Jan 20 10:04 AM

Hi Dale,



The irony is the prior owner was in construction and worked on roofs

much of his life. He was one of those rugged individuals (probably like

you) who could fix or build just about anything. He's no longer with us

and greatly missed.



I've dug up some promising e-mails of officers of one of the local ham

radio groups and I e-mailed them. I;m going to see if anyone can at

least come over and tell me exactly what I've got.



I can appreciate that it's difficult to suggest fixes if you don't know

exactly what you're dealing with. So, if I can at least ...wait for

it... nail that down so that's another step in the right direction.



I wear mostly open toed sandals and sneakers so I don't know what might

be the best footwear to lace up when climbing up and around on a roof

might be?



I guess I should take a measuring tape and compass with me.



I just have this basic compass so I don't know if I;ll need one that;s

detailed enough to tell me it's pointing 40 degrees NE or whatever

measurement is needed to know if the antenna is pointed exactly right to

receive certain stations.



Thanks for sharing your suggestions about tools.



Harbor Freight rocks! I;ve got a hand manual blower for my PC there.

There's one about 20 miles away but it's like playland visiting them.

They have all sorts of gizmos - most of which I have no idea of their

names or waht you do with them but they look way cool.



OK - so compression connectors are on the list. Will it say UVSJ on the

antenna? Or you can tell in a good photo? I'll try to borrow a friend's

digital camera when I visit the roof.



Here's the tv fool info.



www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d7fb961f87f6a42



ABC - Sarasota is Ch 40 on the remote - which was lost on the last

dwonload of stations. So was Ch 16 - WUSF and still can't get WFLA - Ch

7,8 - Tampa



Thank you and everyone on this list for all your much appreciated help

and understanding.



I already know, from you all, 90% more than my neighbors who didn't

think I could even receive the stations I got with just an antenna.



Charles.



3. Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Dale Miller" stpatrick2@... kc2cbd

Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:58 pm (PST)



snipped and edited for ease of reading>

On 01/19/2012 02:38 PM, charles meyer wrote:

> Hi Dale,

>

> Thank you so much for sharing that link.

>

> I visited the Web sites for 3 of the closest orgs and their Web sites

> list officer names and titles but not e-mails.



No problem.



> I've scoured their Web sites to locate any other e-mail addresses for

> people associated with that org and e-mailed them. Hopefully I can

> connect with one of the clubs.



> I'm with your wife - you shouldn't be cavorting on roofs!



Well I get on roofs for a living :o)



> But, even if I can find help locally I'm happy to climb up on the

roof

> as long as a someone competent with experience can simply direct

me as to what I'm supposed to be doing.

> Maybe this is what we'll do?

I'll strap on a camera and Skype with you and you can direct me from

your recliner in the comfort of your own home as to what I pull, twist,

> tighten, weld, drain, flush...whatever it takes to get all 4 rooms TV

> and all the stations I'm supposed to be able to receive!

>

> I'll even have your favorite beer delivered so you can relax in

Barker

> Lounger.



Well that is a possibility :o)

You will need to acquire coax connectors and the tool to install them.

The best ones are compression connectors.

You can acquire the connectors and tools at Lowes or Home Depot or

if you have a Harbor Freight near you, you can get them there.

Sometimes the tool will come with some connectors as well.



Your most welcome.

If you can get on your roof and you have a compass so you can aim your

antennas, and get us better pictures to see what is actually on that

mast we can help you better.

You will need to use a better camera to get us better resolution shots

of that antenna array.

I'm with everyone else that has responded that that box on your mast

could be a combiner.

If that is the case than we need to know if it is a UVSJ, if it is then

it is just a matter of getting your array aimed properly and then

we can get the system distribution ironed out after.

You really need to make sure that the antennas will work with one

individual downlead before splitting the signal.

Once you split the signal you may need a pre-amplifier, and you just

might need one before that.

If there isn't already a pre-amplifier in play then you will want a

decent one.

You will need to re-post your tvfool so I can help you determine your

options for a pre-amplifier.



--

All the Best& 73's

Dale Miller, KC2CBD

Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005







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#513 Jan 20 1:51 PM

On 01/20/2012 12:04 PM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Dale,

>

> The irony is the prior owner was in construction and worked on roofs

> much of his life. He was one of those rugged individuals (probably like

> you) who could fix or build just about anything. He's no longer with us

> and greatly missed.

>

> I've dug up some promising e-mails of officers of one of the local ham

> radio groups and I e-mailed them. I;m going to see if anyone can at

> least come over and tell me exactly what I've got.

>

> I can appreciate that it's difficult to suggest fixes if you don't know

> exactly what you're dealing with. So, if I can at least ...wait for

> it... nail that down so that's another step in the right direction.

>

> I wear mostly open toed sandals and sneakers so I don't know what might

> be the best footwear to lace up when climbing up and around on a roof

> might be?



A good pair of sneakers or boots with laces, and be sure to keep your

feet flat on the surface of the roof.

When you lift your heels you slip.

> I guess I should take a measuring tape and compass with me.

>

> I just have this basic compass so I don't know if I;ll need one that;s

> detailed enough to tell me it's pointing 40 degrees NE or whatever

> measurement is needed to know if the antenna is pointed exactly right to

> receive certain stations.



Yes you will need a tape measure to measure the antenna and a compass

with the degrees clearly marked on it.

>

> Thanks for sharing your suggestions about tools.

>

> Harbor Freight rocks! I;ve got a hand manual blower for my PC there.

> There's one about 20 miles away but it's like playland visiting them.

> They have all sorts of gizmos - most of which I have no idea of their

> names or waht you do with them but they look way cool.

Yep good place to get tools at decent prices >

> OK - so compression connectors are on the list. Will it say UVSJ on the

> antenna? Or you can tell in a good photo? I'll try to borrow a friend's

> digital camera when I visit the roof.



It may be marked but I don't know for sure.

Manufactures all do things differently in the antenna world.

I would assume that the box is a combiner.

I would hope so considering you have a combo antenna with a VHF antenna.

>

> Here's the tv fool info.

>

> www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d7fb961f87f6a42

>

> ABC - Sarasota is Ch 40 on the remote - which was lost on the last

> dwonload of stations. So was Ch 16 - WUSF and still can't get WFLA - Ch

> 7,8 - Tampa



You should be able to recieve everything in the light green and white.

Can you approximate what direction each antenna is pointed at without

getting on the roof?

Your combo antenna should be at about 16 degrees but might have to be

alittle more north to get everything from those 2 axises.

The VHF antenna will need to be pointed at roughly 124 degrees to get

channel 9.

With your tvfool you might be better off putting the combo antenna on a

rotor, but it depends on what you really want to receive out of your

available channels.

You will have to prioritize what you want to aim the antennas properly.

Now if your talking about real channel 40, you may not receive that

consistently because of its NM(Noise Margin).



Here you can understand how to read the tvfool report.

www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57#how_to_read

www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57#how_to_read>



>

> Thank you and everyone on this list for all your much appreciated help

> and understanding.

>

> I already know, from you all, 90% more than my neighbors who didn't

> think I could even receive the stations I got with just an antenna.

>

> Charles.

>

>





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#514 Jan 20 4:30 PM

> Thank you and everyone on this list for all your much appreciated help

>> and understanding.

>>

>> I already know, from you all, 90% more than my neighbors who didn't

>> think I could even receive the stations I got with just an antenna.





The big box stores that dominate the Tv market get a commisson from

selling the Cable/Satalite/Fibre set top boxes. That means that they

will say you need one of those choices to watch HD TV. I have seem a

statement "Requires an HD source such as a cable box" in their ads.



Many folks only know what the sales folks tell them.





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#515 Jan 20 8:52 PM

On 1/20/2012 4:30 PM, Charles MacDonald wrote:

> The big box stores that dominate the Tv market get a commisson from

> selling the Cable/Satalite/Fibre set top boxes. That means that they

> will say you need one of those choices to watch HD TV.



I see you're in Canada. Down here in the U.S., cable companies will

authorize only boxes leased by them. The "big box" stores don't sell

set-top boxes for cable because they realize that they'll never be

authorized.



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#516 Jan 21 7:24 AM

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Eric Knippert knip@...> wrote: >

> On 1/20/2012 4:30 PM, Charles MacDonald wrote:

>

> > The big box stores that dominate the Tv market get a commisson from

> > selling the Cable/Satalite/Fibre set top boxes. That means that they

> > will say you need one of those choices to watch HD TV.

>

> I see you're in Canada. Down here in the U.S., cable companies will

> authorize only boxes leased by them. The "big box" stores don't sell

> set-top boxes for cable because they realize that they'll never be

> authorized.

>

Yes, this is so. And, while the major retailers can't scam on cable boxes, they will try on other things. Before the Transition, some seemed to have the line that mobody will be recieving anything without some attached box. Except maybe from the high end sets.



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#518 Jan 21 10:46 AM

Charles.



You really need to do your homework with electronics and computers no

matter what.



I researched and spoke with people who had researched the issues when I

was getting my 2 digital converter boxes.



The salesmen wanted to sell me ones with all sorts of whistles and bells

I didn't need.



That's why I so appreciate you all on this list.



If I can get this done, it will get done correctly with your help and

suggestions.



Thank you,



Charles.



Re: TV Antennas - Getting NBC

Posted by: "Charles MacDonald" cmacd@... cmacd123

Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:30 pm (PST)



snip>



The big box stores that dominate the Tv market get a commisson from

selling the Cable/Satalite/Fibre set top boxes. That means that they

will say you need one of those choices to watch HD TV. I have seem a

statement "Requires an HD source such as a cable box" in their ads.



Many folks only know what the sales folks tell them.



--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

users.trytel.com/~cmacd/tubes.html

No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail.



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#521 Jan 21 4:56 PM

On 12-01-20 11:52 PM, Eric Knippert wrote: > On 1/20/2012 4:30 PM, Charles MacDonald wrote:

>

>> The big box stores that dominate the Tv market get a commisson from

>> selling the Cable/Satalite/Fibre set top boxes. That means that they

>> will say you need one of those choices to watch HD TV.

>

> I see you're in Canada. Down here in the U.S., cable companies will

> authorize only boxes leased by them. The "big box" stores don't sell

> set-top boxes for cable because they realize that they'll never be

> authorized.



Kind of both, our folks work it like cell phones, you have to buy a box

from Rogers, Bell or Star Choice/Shaw direct or Telus or Videotron etc.

The box comes with a crypto-card that is owned by the provider and

that is what is authorised by your monthly bill. The providers get the

best of both worlds as you pay both the bill and the deprecation of the

set top box. And since you bought a (subsidised) chunk of hardware you

have yet another disincentive to change modes.



--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

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users.trytel.com/~cmacd/tubes.html

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#727 Aug 2, 2013

Hello all,



On August 1, 2013 I bought the September edition of

"Consumer Reports" magazine.

It said that they are going to talk about digital TV antennas in their

October edition.

If so, are they going to just talk about TV antennas or are they going to do a ratings of TV antennas?



Does anybody know?



Thank you,

mike



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#745 Sep 8, 2013

Hello all,

I bought the October 2013 edition of "Consumer Reports" magazine.

They did a one page article on ten indoor TV antennas.

I feel that this is an important issue for condo & apartment dwellers.

They did not do a test, they gave some TV antennas to about a dozen people, they did mostly just a survey.

I am not accustomed to these types of flat panel indoor TV antennas.

I thought that rabbit ears with a UHF loop was usually superior to other designs.

Do these new TV antennas just have a UHF loop that is hidden inside of the hard plastic? ordoes the metal inside have a unique design?

Does anybody know?

Thank you,mike



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#746 Sep 8, 2013

i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/estefan2020/121cmsidesbiquadanddoubblebiquad.jpg

These are 12.1cm (121mm) side biquad and double biquad. Both have a 300ohm to 75ohm balun. They work quite well, I made them with 1/2 cpvc support structure with electrical tape for aesthetics.Both do not have an amplifier.  I would rather amplify signal, by higher gain, then adding more noise.

Amplifiers not only amplify low signals, but also noise, as well as the noise of the amplifier itself. If an amplifier does not state its noise level in the specifications its assumed its too high, as a reason not to list it.The better amplifiers are at 0.8db 



To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.comFrom: antennagarden@...Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 15:58:12 -0700Subject: [TV_Antennas] New Indoor TV antennas article

 

Hello all,

I bought the October 2013 edition of "Consumer Reports" magazine.

They did a one page article on ten indoor TV antennas.

I feel that this is an important issue for condo & apartment dwellers.

They did not do a test, they gave some TV antennas to about a dozen people, they did mostly just a survey.

I am not accustomed to these types of flat panel indoor TV antennas.

I thought that rabbit ears with a UHF loop was usually superior to other designs.

Do these new TV antennas just have a UHF loop that is hidden inside of the hard plastic? ordoes the metal inside have a unique design?

Does anybody know?

Thank you,mike







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#1088 Mar 17, 2017

Hi everyoneI live in the mountains of WV between Charleston and Huntington. in an upstairs apartment, but cant get channel 3 or channel 13 or channel 30 cw or pbs. I tried buying a amplified leaf antenna like the mouha leaf but it did not help at all. going to change sides of the apartment hoping things might be better. there is no way i can put up a outside antenna here at this time. any ideas how i can make this better?Bruce Kb8kac



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#1089 Mar 17, 2017

To get this straight, you mean Ch.3 the NBC affiliate,... Ch 13 the CBS affiliate.....Ch 30 the CW affiliate and the PBS Station on Ch/33 is that correct?...................are those your real concerns?.



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#1090 Mar 18, 2017

Hello,

Living in an apartment makes it very hard

Does the apartment complex / building have a master antenna system or your roof?

Mike



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#1091 Mar 18, 2017

First you need to identify what directions your TV signals that are of interest are coming from. Go-to www.tvfool.com and enter your address. You can locate the channel and digital compass direction. You then place an antenna near the closestwindow. If you can copy the tvfool link and post it here, we may be able to give you antenna sujestions.

On Mar 17, 2017 10:30 AM, "kb8kac@... [TV_Antennas]" TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi everyoneI live in the mountains of WV between Charleston and Huntington. in an upstairs apartment, but cant get channel 3 or channel 13 or channel 30 cw or pbs. I tried buying a amplified leaf antenna like the mouha leaf but it did not help at all. going to changesides of the apartment hoping things might be better. there is no way i can put up a outside antenna here at this time. any ideas how i can make this better?Bruce Kb8kac



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#1092 Mar 19, 2017

www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de6a40498b8e723



Here is my Tvfool.com report. The majority of channels are coming from one location, this would be great for a corner antenna, and if multi directional is required, channel master has an 8 bay that has hinges to angle half in another direction. At the edge row you see 1edge and 2edge, and tripod, the best is LOS line of sight. For me, an amplified antenna is required. This is why the tvfool link can help with antenna selection.



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#1093 Mar 19, 2017

Here are some outside antennas that can be used in an apartment with an antenna tripod and a 5ft mast in a window for better OTA TV viewing.



Mulii-diirectional. www.solidsignal.com/m/product.aspx?p=HDB8X



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#1094 Mar 19, 2017

Here is one for single direction.

www.solidsignal.com/m/product.aspx?p=hdb91x



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#1095 Mar 19, 2017

And an low noise amplifier www.solidsignal.com/m/product.aspx?p=CM-7778



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