Re: [TV_Antennas] Placing Antennas Sideways


Jul 27, 2011

 


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#434 Jul 27, 2011

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Given I live in an Apt, I may have to place the flat part of an antenna sideways near the wall of the balcony. Will that affect reception? Has anyone tried this?



As for the UHF portion, I know it wouldnt save space to do so.



Thanks



Bill



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#435 Jul 27, 2011

On 07/27/2011 07:45 PM, Child wrote: > Group

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> Given I live in an Apt, I may have to place the flat part of an antenna sideways near the wall of the balcony. Will that affect reception? Has anyone tried this?

>

> As for the UHF portion, I know it wouldnt save space to do so.

>

> Thanks

>

> Bill

>



I've never seen it done...I don't think it will work.

Your effectively making the antenna vertically polarized.

I don't think it would hurt to try...but I make no guarantees myself.





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#436 Jul 28, 2011

To Anybody,

I am a TV antenna hobbist.

Most of my runs average about.seventy-five (75) feet. .

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1. When signal strength is very low (having a picture vs not having a picture) , is it better to use factory-compression connectors vs factory-crimped on connectors ?

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2. Also, is there much difference between RG6 vs RG11 cable ?

... If I were to guess, a short cable perhaps not much difference. If this is correct, at what approximate length.would.you see a loss ?

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3. Please mention if you are a hobbist, engineer or other

Thank you,

Mike..



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#437 Jul 28, 2011

On 7/28/2011 8:09 PM, Mike Friend wrote:

> To Anybody,

> I am a TV antenna hobbist.

> Most of my runs average about seventy-five (75) feet.

>

> 1. When signal strength is very low (having a picture vs not having a picture) , is it better to use factory-compression connectors vs factory-crimped on connectors ?

>

> 2. Also, is there much difference between RG6 vs RG11 cable ?

> If I were to guess, a short cable perhaps not much difference. If this is correct, at what approximate length would you see a loss ?

>

> 3. Please mention if you are a hobbist, engineer or other

> Thank you,

> Mike



Why did you post this with the SUBJECT as: Placing Antennas Sideways?



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#438 Jul 28, 2011

It may work better than nothing but I agree w/ the polarization (I didnt give that much thought).



I spoke with an excoworker from Best Buy who works with electronics and he said the Clearstreams and the like are omnidirectional. .They dont give that appearance but I can see why. .He's for the channel master or similar (Like an HD stacker) that narrow into 1 direction and do that direction better.

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Mike, I'm not sure on your first question but signal deterioration seems to take place when your cable is longer than 25' unless you have a signal booster...then u can go much longer (like 100+ ft even if cable is poorer quality). .Also, its most fair to say I'm a hobbyist and been so for 25+ yrs. .I used to work @ Best Buy which kept my electronics info up to date. .I'm also into DXing and plan to do so once I set up an antenna.



BTW, we broke an all time monthly record for the most posts in this group ever (this is a good thing, yes?).



Bill

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>On 07/27/2011 07:45 PM, Child wrote:

>> Group

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>> Given I live in an Apt, I may have to place the flat part of an antenna sideways near the wall of the balcony.. Will that affect reception?. Has anyone tried this?

>>

>> As for the UHF portion, I know it wouldnt save space to do so.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>> Bill

>>

>

>I've never seen it done...I don't think it will work.

>Your effectively making the antenna vertically polarized.

>I don't think it would hurt to try...but I make no guarantees myself.

>

>

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#439 Jul 28, 2011

On 07/28/2011 10:39 PM, Child Free wrote: > It may work better than nothing but I agree w/ the polarization (I didnt give that much thought).

>

> I spoke with an excoworker from Best Buy who works with electronics and he said the Clearstreams and the like are omnidirectional. They dont give that appearance but I can see why. He's for the channel master or similar (Like an HD stacker) that narrow into 1 direction and do that direction better.

>

>

>

> Mike, I'm not sure on your first question but signal deterioration seems to take place when your cable is longer than 25' unless you have a signal booster...then u can go much longer (like 100+ ft even if cable is poorer quality). Also, its most fair to say I'm a hobbyist and been so for 25+ yrs. I used to work @ Best Buy which kept my electronics info up to date. I'm also into DXing and plan to do so once I set up an antenna.

>

> BTW, we broke an all time monthly record for the most posts in this group ever (this is a good thing, yes?).

>

> Bill

>

>



I didn't see that it was an omni-directional antenna but with the poor

picture I thought it looked "chintzy".

I prefer to stick to brands I know and I'm certainly willing to try a

new product if it looks like it is a quality made product.

I personally believe that the HD Stacker looks like a quality product

for the money.

And you can't beat the money back guarantee he offers and you know what

the shipping is before you even purchase because it is included in the

price.

Those antennas you see there selling that look like there less than 2

feet long and also look like plastic are cheap but there also cheaply made.

I won't waste my hard earned money on them. Buy quality and you will get

a product that will last IMHO.



Omni-directional antennas are only good if your within say 20 miles or

less of the transmitters and they are all around you.

I can see them working if you live in a metropolitan city or something

to that nature.

But for DXing you can't beat a Yagi.



Mike no offense but you shouldn't hijack other peoples threads, post a

new thread appropriate to your question.

But to expand on Bill's answer every foot of coax or other transmission

line has loss.

I would go with RG11 because it lower loss because it has a 14 gauge

center conductor, RG6 has 18 gauge center conductor.

The info is RG11 has 4db loss per 100ft at 1gHz and RG6 as 6db loss per

100ft at 1gHz.



Supposedly the compression connectors are better.

See here www.dennysantennaservice.com/1693437.html



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#440 Jul 29, 2011

Dale:

I didn't see that it was an omni-directional antenna but with the poor.



picture I thought it looked "chintzy".



Bill:

When I worked @ Bes Buy, I saw these up close (the ones w/ the black round plastic pieces) and was skeptical. .U definitly wont get your $$$ worth compared to the stacker or CM. .The ones I sold were good for apartments w/ limited deck space and they got all but 1 local channel.





Dale:

I prefer to stick to brands I know and I'm certainly willing to try a.new product if it looks like it is a quality made product. .I personally believe that the HD Stacker looks like a quality product.for the money. .And you can't beat the money back guarantee he offers and you know what.the shipping is before you even purchase because it is included in the.price.



Bill:

Agreed. .There are some things u just cant compact and get the same quality. .U need the size and spacing simple as that. .The stacker looks like quality AND made in the USA. .That's well worth it. .On top of that, they allow antennas in my complex as long as they fit on the deck and not mounted on any part of the structure (the stacker will fit by 2", whew!!).



Dale:

Those antennas you see there selling that look like there less than 2.feet long and also look like plastic are cheap but there also cheaply made. .I won't waste my hard earned money on them. Buy quality and you will get.a product that will last.IMHO. .Omni-directional antennas are only good if your within say 20 miles or.less of the transmitters and they are all around you.



Bill:

They are and they'll serve the purpose of strictly local stations if you're not in the fringe. .They're fine if u just want to take a step above rabbit ears but if u have the room to fit larger, I'd go for it. .My Uncle had one of those cheaper ones before satellite offered local channels. .He was close to the towers so it worked out. .





Dale:

I can see them working if you live in a metropolitan city or something.to that nature. .But for DXing you can't beat a Yagi.



Bill:

True but I know they wouldnt allow a Yagi here unless it was small. .I'm in B'ham AL city limits and get most of the stations w/ rabbit ears but want more. .Since you're rural, it would be a waste to get anything less than the stacker or Yagi. .Since I"m going thru the trouble of research and possible setup (after talking to the Wife), I'm going for as much as I can get. .Since I have to point it N, I hope to get Huntsville stations as well on better days. .Channel 19 has some stuff I'd love to see.

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Bill



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