RE: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna


Jun 20, 2014

 


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#780 Jun 20, 2014

Hello all,��In my two city metropolation area, I receive about fifty TV channels with my outdoor Channel Master 4228 outdoor antenna.I live about 20 miles away from the TV stations.��I am a serious professional TV antenna hobbist for the last five years.I go overboard at times with my TV antenna hobby.Maybe I should get a life.��I recently purchased a����(Non-Amplified) "MOHU Leaf��Indoor HDTV Antenna"�� at a yard sale for about$ 10.00.(No connection to that company)I took it home, hooked it up to the BASEMENT TV.Thats right. I did say the��BASEMENT TV.��I figured that I wouldrecieve maybe five TV channels.I was astonished, when I recieved about fifteen TV channels.��1. Does��this antenna really have that great of a design hidden inside it's flexible plastic cover?2. Does anybody know what the inside of it might look like?������Thank you,mike����������



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#781 Jun 20, 2014

��"1. Does��this antenna really have that great of a design hidden inside it's flexible plastic cover?2. Does anybody know what the inside of it might look like? "I think an answer might be had if you were to�� put an ordinary bowtie between two pieces of cardboard and hook it to the basement TV.. Fix the thing to a paper box or something, so it sits up, and use it as you would the Leaf.I think you'll find some answers..



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#782 Jun 20, 2014

build a double biquad with 12.1cm sides, feed in center with a 300-75ohm balun. test that against your antenna. or a gray hoverman variant.��

20 miles means squat if you have a 2 edge report, or great if los line of sight.You would have needed a tvfool.com graph report we could help you.www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de1c6ae9ffc1096



To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.comFrom: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.comDate: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:17:20 -0700Subject: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

��

Hello all,��In my two city metropolation area, I receive about fifty TV channels with my outdoor Channel Master 4228 outdoor antenna.I live about 20 miles away from the TV stations.��I am a serious professional TV antenna hobbist for the last five years.I go overboard at times with my TV antenna hobby.Maybe I should get a life.��I recently purchased a����(Non-Amplified) "MOHU Leaf��Indoor HDTV Antenna"�� at a yard sale for about$ 10.00.(No connection to that company)I took it home, hooked it up to the BASEMENT TV.Thats right. I did say the��BASEMENT TV.��I figured that I wouldrecieve maybe five TV channels.I was astonished, when I recieved about fifteen TV channels.��1. Does��this antenna really have that great of a design hidden inside it's flexible plastic cover?2. Does anybody know what the inside of it might look like?������Thank you,mike����������



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#783 Jun 21, 2014

I forgot to mention, Menards or other hardware store sells #6 solid copper wire wire 4ft for $2, and the balun for $1.50. you can make a 12.1cm sided double bi-quad for UHF tv usage. Thrift stores usually has 6ft coax for $0.25 , 2 screws, nuts, 4 washers to hold balun.

To straighten wire, use vice on one end, drill on the other, as the drill turns, the wire will will unbend itself. easiest way. run emery cloth along wire to shine, then bend. Google double bi-quad for bending pattern. After bend clear paint will prevent oxidizing and keep the shine

i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/estefan2020/121cmsidesbiquadanddoubblebiquad.jpg����

I used pvc as backing as this was made for mobile use so I can literally throw it in my truck.��



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#784 Jun 21, 2014

I'm seeing a large interest in homemade antennas. Are homemade antennas better than the outdoor antennas you can buy?



Bill

.

Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!





--------------- On Sat, 6/21/14, dan m KY4JLY not for toast estefan2020@... [TV_Antennas] TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: RE: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

To: "TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com" tv_antennas@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Saturday, June 21, 2014, 10:09 AM





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I forgot to mention,

Menards or other hardware store sells #6 solid copper wire

wire 4ft for $2, and the balun for $1.50. you can make a

12.1cm sided double bi-quad for UHF tv usage. Thrift stores

usually has 6ft coax for $0.25 , 2 screws, nuts, 4 washers

to hold balun.



To

straighten wire, use vice on one end, drill on the other, as

the drill turns, the wire will will unbend itself. easiest

way. run emery cloth along wire to shine, then bend. Google

double bi-quad for bending pattern. After bend clear paint

will prevent oxidizing and keep the shine



i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/estefan2020/121cmsidesbiquadanddoubblebiquad.jpg%c2%a0%c2%a0

I used pvc as backing as this was

made for mobile use so I can literally throw it in my

truck..















To:

tv_antennas@yahoogroups.com

From:

TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 20

Jun 2014 21:17:11 -0500

Subject: RE:

[TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

































.

























build a

double biquad with 12.1cm sides, feed in center with a

300-75ohm balun. test that against your antenna. or a gray

hoverman variant..



20

miles means squat if you have a 2 edge report, or great if

los line of sight.

You would have needed a

tvfool.com graph report we could help you.

www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de1c6ae9ffc1096



To:

TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

From:

TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 20

Jun 2014 15:17:20 -0700

Subject:

[TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

































.





















Hello

all,.In my two city metropolation

area, I receive about fifty TV channels with my outdoor

Channel Master 4228 outdoor antenna.I live about

20 miles away from the TV stations..I

am a serious professional TV antenna hobbist for the last

five years.I go overboard at times with my TV

antenna hobby.Maybe I should get a

life..I recently purchased

a..(Non-Amplified) "MOHU Leaf.Indoor HDTV

Antenna". at a yard sale for about $

10.00.(No connection to that company)I

took it home, hooked it up to the BASEMENT TV.

Thats right. I did say the.BASEMENT

TV..I figured that I would

recieve maybe five TV channels. I was

astonished, when I recieved about fifteen TV

channels..1. Does.this antenna

really have that great of a design hidden inside it's

flexible plastic cover?2. Does anybody know what

the inside of it might look

like?...Thank you,

mike.....

























































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#785 Jun 21, 2014

What is your intention in asking that question?

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From: "Child Free childfree71@... [TV_Antennas]" TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

��



I'm seeing a large interest in homemade antennas. Are homemade antennas better than the outdoor antennas you can buy?



Bill

��

Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!



---------------

On Sat, 6/21/14, dan m KY4JLY not for toast estefan2020@... [TV_Antennas] TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: RE: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

To: "TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com" tv_antennas@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Saturday, June 21, 2014, 10:09 AM





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I forgot to mention,

Menards or other hardware store sells #6 solid copper wire

wire 4ft for $2, and the balun for $1.50. you can make a

12.1cm sided double bi-quad for UHF tv usage. Thrift stores

usually has 6ft coax for $0.25 , 2 screws, nuts, 4 washers

to hold balun.



To

straighten wire, use vice on one end, drill on the other, as

the drill turns, the wire will will unbend itself. easiest

way. run emery cloth along wire to shine, then bend. Google

double bi-quad for bending pattern. After bend clear paint

will prevent oxidizing and keep the shine



i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/estefan2020/121cmsidesbiquadanddoubblebiquad.jpg����

I used pvc as backing as this was

made for mobile use so I can literally throw it in my

truck.��















To:

tv_antennas@yahoogroups.com

From:

TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 20

Jun 2014 21:17:11 -0500

Subject: RE:

[TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

































��

























build a

double biquad with 12.1cm sides, feed in center with a

300-75ohm balun. test that against your antenna. or a gray

hoverman variant.��



20

miles means squat if you have a 2 edge report, or great if

los line of sight.

You would have needed a

tvfool.com graph report we could help you.

www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de1c6ae9ffc1096



To:

TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

From:

TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 20

Jun 2014 15:17:20 -0700

Subject:

[TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

































��





















Hello

all,��In my two city metropolation

area, I receive about fifty TV channels with my outdoor

Channel Master 4228 outdoor antenna.I live about

20 miles away from the TV stations.��I

am a serious professional TV antenna hobbist for the last

five years.I go overboard at times with my TV

antenna hobby.Maybe I should get a

life.��I recently purchased

a����(Non-Amplified) "MOHU Leaf��Indoor HDTV

Antenna"�� at a yard sale for about $

10.00.(No connection to that company)I

took it home, hooked it up to the BASEMENT TV.

Thats right. I did say the��BASEMENT

TV.��I figured that I would

recieve maybe five TV channels. I was

astonished, when I recieved about fifteen TV

channels.��1. Does��this antenna

really have that great of a design hidden inside it's

flexible plastic cover?2. Does anybody know what

the inside of it might look

like?������Thank you,

mike����������

























































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#786 Jun 21, 2014

For an answer to my question.

��Bill��Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!



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#787 Jun 21, 2014

You see��a large interest in homemade antennas, because the internet gives you robust antenna calculators for yagi, dipole, j-pole, you can pay someone else to build it for you, though I find some times I can do it my self,��cheaper. ��eating at home instead of eating out for example.

I needed a durable, portable to go tv antenna. It did not exist, so I built one. I may try using 1/2 copper pipe, and emery cloth then clear coat, make it look better.

chucklesandlaughs.files.wordpress.com:8080/2012/11/ky-jelly.jpg

KY4JLY (not 4 toast) 73.



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#788 Jun 22, 2014

"I needed a durable, portable to go tv antenna. It did not exist, so I built one."That, I think, is the reason for making an antenna.



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#789 Jun 22, 2014

Thanks, that's what I was wondering.�� What your building isnt even available so u have to make it.�� There's not much out there for portable antennas that are worth much.



At first I was thinking that some were either too frugial to pay $50-70 for an outdoor one or a homemade one may pick up many more stations.�� I had to hunt around for an outdoor antenna a few yrs ago and a local electronics store sold me a discontinued model (they no longersell outdoor antennas)�� Once I own a home, I'll probably build an extension of what I already have so I can get more stations.�� Neighboring markets have stations I wish I could get.�� For now, I'm in an apt w/ cable (they pay for it) so my antenna's put away for now.

��Bill��Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!



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#790 Jun 22, 2014

You pay on one way or another for an antenna. one way is to let someone else do the work for you, and the other is the labor in creating it yourself. It depends on your skill set is. With the internet, one can create a��commercial grade��antenna with little��experience��now.

Purchasing a LNA low noise amplifier vs a traditional amplifier can make or break digital signals, so if you need to place money into an antenna, a mast mount pre-amp low noise amplifier LNA, If no noise in dbi is listed in the specs, there is a reason it was left out, older amp with high noise, or noise was too high and excluded to prevent loss of sales. If your going to buy ��$50+ for an antenna, make sure you get what you pay for.

chucklesandlaughs.files.wordpress.com:8080/2012/11/ky-jelly.jpg

KY4JLY (not 4 toast) 73.



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#791 Jun 22, 2014

Are the Mohu as wonderful as their prices suggest? ��How about their outdoor unit for $149? ��Would their indoor antenna perform equally well if it was roof mounted?

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From: "dan m KY4JLY not for toast estefan2020@... [TV_Antennas]" TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> To: "TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com" tv_antennas@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

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You pay on one way or another for an antenna. one way is to let someone else do the work for you, and the other is the labor in creating it yourself. It depends on your skill set is. With the internet, one can create a��commercial grade��antenna with little��experience��now.

Purchasing a LNA low noise amplifier vs a traditional amplifier can make or break digital signals, so if you need to place money into an antenna, a mast mount pre-amp low noise amplifier LNA, If no noise in dbi is listed in the specs, there is a reason it was left out, older amp with high noise, or noise was too high and excluded to prevent loss of sales. If your going to buy ��$50+ for an antenna, make sure you get what you pay for.

chucklesandlaughs.files.wordpress.com:8080/2012/11/ky-jelly.jpg

KY4JLY (not 4 toast) 73.



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#792 Jun 22, 2014

Price is no judge on an antenna, You will have to compare 2 different antenna��subjectively, use an antenna��analyzer, ��or use antenna modeling software.��

If there is an amplifier��involved, it needs to be after the antennas balun, and verify 0.8dbi to ��2.0dbi of noise from the amp. lower the better. Quad shield rg-6 for 25ft or longer coax.

If you want to spend money, lmr 400, lmr 600 or lmr 1200 coax for 50 feet or more, this is more��expensive��cable, but designed better for uhf over longer distances. Digital requires more signal than analog, If you plan on spending $150 on an antenna, spending $20 for 25 foot of quad rg6 may dew, but $75 for lmr 600 will give��considerable��less loss at uhf frequencies.







chucklesandlaughs.files.wordpress.com:8080/2012/11/ky-jelly.jpg

KY4JLY (not 4 toast) 73.



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#793 Jun 23, 2014

"At first I was thinking that some were either too frugial to pay $50-70 for an outdoor one"

If you can build one for $5-$15 worth of material, instead of spending $50-70, and its within your skill set to build, I would take some effort and try myself. Its not being frugal with money, but there are other items beyond my skill set that the money can be better spent, I call that wise allocation of resources. I would say frugal would be counting each square of toilet paper before use.��



chucklesandlaughs.files.wordpress.com:8080/2012/11/ky-jelly.jpg

KY4JLY (not 4 toast) 73.



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#794 Jun 23, 2014

I definitely meant frugal in a good way.�� For me, the time it would take wouldnt be worth it unless it was a setup I couldnt buy.�� I had also wondered about the mileage range of the homemade antennas vs similar ones in the store.�� The DTV antennas they sell for $150 (like at Best Buy) look like chicken wire and 4 loop UHF antennas which would probably be less than $10 of materials and a few hours to build unless I'm missing something.�� Either way I respect someone who can craft something like that homemade and make it work.

��Bill��Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!







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#795 Jun 23, 2014

There is no real magic in a non amplified antenna, and chicken wire or any crossed wire about a half inch size metal used as a reflector and to allow wind to pass through will work fine. the bloated distance they boast is an��estimate��at best. use tvfool.com report to gage your��possible��distance from the��height��of your antenna will be a better��gauge��at how far your antenna will��receive. UHF is line��of sight (los) for the most part, the higher you go, the further you will view. You can see this on tvfool.com using antenna��height��from 0-500ft.��antenna��height or the antennas drecectivity�� gain, get distance. As Gain goes up you are focusing on longer distances, and the stations on the sides, or behind will be sacrificed. So you really need to start with tvfools.com and see where the stations are in relation to you before choosing styles of antenna. if you need some advice, post your tvfool.com link for antenna advise.





To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.comFrom: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:58:18 -0700Subject: Re: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30 Indoor HDTV Antenna

��

I definitely meant frugal in a good way.�� For me, the time it would take wouldnt be worth it unless it was a setup I couldnt buy.�� I had also wondered about the mileage range of the homemade antennas vs similar ones in the store.�� The DTV antennas they sell for $150 (like at Best Buy) look like chicken wire and 4 loop UHF antennas which would probably be less than $10 of materials and a few hours to build unless I'm missing something.�� Either way I respect someone who can craft something like that homemade and make it work.

��Bill��Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!



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#796 Jun 23, 2014

Antennas are definitely an odd case, as the material is cheap, but the knowledge of the optimum design is complex physics and not something you would ever solve by noodling about with trial and error. ��Given that the designs are freely available, there is little to stop us from building one. ��It may be necessary to hold dimensions precisely accurate, or else get a lower performance result. ��I would think the profit margin for manufacturing antennas is extreme.Jaymz

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From: "Child Free childfree71@... [TV_Antennas]" TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> To: "TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com" TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [TV_Antennas] MOHU Leaf 30Indoor HDTV Antenna

��I definitely meant frugal in a good way.�� For me, the time it would take wouldnt be worth it unless it was a setup I couldnt buy.�� I had also wondered about the mileage range of the homemade antennas vs similar ones in the store.�� The DTV antennas they sell for $150 (like at Best Buy) look like chicken wire and 4 loop UHF antennas which would probably be less than $10 of materials and a few hours to build unless I'm missing something.�� Either way I respect someone who can craft something like that homemade and make it work.

��Bill��Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!



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#797 Jun 23, 2014

Mohu Leaf Omni-directional OTA Antenna - Page 2 - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums

Mohu Leaf Omni-directional OTA Antenna - Page 2 - C... Page 2- Mohu Leaf Omni-directional OTA Antenna Over-The-Air (OTA) Digital Television



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#798 Jun 23, 2014

The "inside the unit picture" reminded me of the one I am currently

using in the living-room, it was Sort of RCA branded.(says RCA on the

unit but not the box and I suspect it was a refurbished return



I got it at Princess Auto.

www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Other/Digital-Flat-Antenna/8452948.p

--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

Charles.MacDonald.org/tubes

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#799 Jul 10, 2014

Retail cost to material cost ratio on antennas is probably like bottled water.�� Very low cost on material with much of the cost in handling.��Bill��Silly Windows, computing is for Macs!



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#800 Jul 10, 2014

Looks much like a dipole within a dipole different length, no amp, specifications��deliberately do not give its��directivity in dbi (shocking). ��maybe 1.5dbi? ��

chucklesandlaughs.files.wordpress.com:8080/2012/11/ky-jelly.jpg

KY4JLY (not 4 toast) 73.



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