Re: [TV_Antennas] Re: dvrs


Apr 10, 2013

 


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#671 Apr 10, 2013

Hi Folks,



I'm recording network programs with an old VCR and it's becoming

challenging.



I'm exploring the possibility of getting a dvr.



I don't have nor want cable, FIOS TV nor satellite dish.



I capture the network signals with digitla converter boxes and an old

large analog TV anteana outisde way above the house.



I got a cheap digital antenna that doesn't work all the great.



Are any of you using dvrs to record network shows from a digital

converter box?



Or do you use a large digital antenna with digital TVs?



I'm wondering if the dvr will only work with a large digital TV antenna

or if I can use the dvr with just a digital converter box?



If so, what DVR manufacturers have you found to be reliable?



I understand some only work with DirecTV, other only with DISH, etc.



Below is some of the research.



Thanks so much,



Charles.



reviews.cnet.com/best-dvrs/

the TiVo HD is specifically for those who get TV via cable or

over-the-air antenna.



reviews.cnet.com/digital-video-recorders-dvrs/tivo-hd-dvr-20/4505-6474_7-32511935.html

accepts cable TV and over-the-air signals;

The bad: Requires monthly fee in addition to cable bill; ?????



Over-the-air antenna recording: In addition to, or instead of, cable TV,

the TiVo HD can receive and record standard-definition and

high-definition TV signals via an antenna hookup (both analog NTSC and

digital ATSC broadcasts are supported).



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#672 Apr 10, 2013

On 4/10/2013 9:14 PM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Folks,

>

> I'm recording network programs with an old VCR and it's becoming

> challenging.

>

> I'm exploring the possibility of getting a dvr.

>

> I don't have nor want cable, FIOS TV nor satellite dish.

>

> I capture the network signals with digitla converter boxes and an old

> large analog TV anteana outisde way above the house.

>

> I got a cheap digital antenna that doesn't work all the great.

>

> Are any of you using dvrs to record network shows from a digital

> converter box?

>

> Or do you use a large digital antenna with digital TVs?

>

> I'm wondering if the dvr will only work with a large digital TV antenna

> or if I can use the dvr with just a digital converter box?

>

> If so, what DVR manufacturers have you found to be reliable?

>

> I understand some only work with DirecTV, other only with DISH, etc.

>

> Below is some of the research.

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Charles.

>

> reviews.cnet.com/best-dvrs/

> the TiVo HD is specifically for those who get TV via cable or

> over-the-air antenna.

>

> reviews.cnet.com/digital-video-recorders-dvrs/tivo-hd-dvr-20/4505-6474_7-32511935.html

> accepts cable TV and over-the-air signals;

> The bad: Requires monthly fee in addition to cable bill; ?????

>

> Over-the-air antenna recording: In addition to, or instead of, cable TV,

> the TiVo HD can receive and record standard-definition and

> high-definition TV signals via an antenna hookup (both analog NTSC and

> digital ATSC broadcasts are supported).



Get one of these www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/

Then get a decent older computer and load www.mythbuntu.org/ or

some other linux with www.mythtv.org/ installed.

Mythtv works great as I can attest cause I use mythbuntu on my box.

You can use other usb television sticks but be careful to check if you

can set them up in Linux before you purchase.

With the hdhomerun you can watch tv on any computer in your house as

well as use if for your dvr.

I also have one of these on my dvr box an it works great.

www.ebay.com/itm/Pinnacle-PCTV-HD-Pro-Stick-801e-USB-Digital-Analog-TV-Tuner-with-Remote-/190823610206?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item2c6df9375e

www.ebay.com/itm/Pinnacle-PCTV-HD-Pro-Stick-801e-USB-Digital-Analog-TV-Tuner-with-Remote-/190823610206?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item2c6df9375e>>



This page will help you to determine what will work or not. If you can

try to get a tuner with the newest revision of tuner on it. I think it

is revision 5.

linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information





www.mythbuntu.org/>



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Tennessee

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Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



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#673 Apr 10, 2013

You're in luck! .They make a HDD DVR and u dont need cable or dish. . Anyway,.



www.amazon.com/MAGNAVOX-MDR533H-F7-Recorder-Digital/dp/B009WROL6G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1365654115&sr=8-2&keywords=dvd+hdd





I have this very model. .I had a Panasonic from 2005 to 2010 and I wore it out (burned hundreds of DVDs) then replaced it w/ this model and continue to record OTA shows (yes, they record shows from new OTA signals!). .I have it hooked up to a Winegard and I get over 30 stations. .It'll even record Netflix off the Wii. .You can fast forward thru commercials and it plays @ 1.3x letting me watch a 60 minute show in 30-35 mins.



I think TiVo is a complete rip off! .All it is is a fancy VCR that you have to pay a monthly fee (and why do I need to pay to record shows as I did for free less than 10 yrs ago?!?). .Not only do u not have to pay a monthly fee but u can burn shows onto a DVD if u want to keep them. .If not, just delete. .TiVo doesnt even let u burn on a DVD. .



Make sure it has a HDD! .Some only record on a DVD disk and that's more cumbersome than VHS. HDD lets u record well over 100 hours even on higher quality settings.



Enough rambling...feel free to ask me anything about it. .These are dream machines and part of eliminating the need/want for cable.

.

Bill

.

DVR'ing since 2005





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> From: charles meyer chasm@...>

>To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:14 PM

>Subject: [TV_Antennas] dvrs

>

>

>Hi Folks,

>

>I'm recording network programs with an old VCR and it's becoming

>challenging.

>

>I'm exploring the possibility of getting a dvr.

>

>I don't have nor want cable, FIOS TV nor satellite dish.

>

>I capture the network signals with digitla converter boxes and an old

>large analog TV anteana outisde way above the house.

>

>I got a cheap digital antenna that doesn't work all the great.

>

>Are any of you using dvrs to record network shows from a digital

>converter box?

>

>Or do you use a large digital antenna with digital TVs?

>

>I'm wondering if the dvr will only work with a large digital TV antenna

>or if I can use the dvr with just a digital converter box?

>

>If so, what DVR manufacturers have you found to be reliable?

>

>I understand some only work with DirecTV, other only with DISH, etc.

>

>Below is some of the research.

>

>Thanks so much,

>

>Charles.

>

>reviews.cnet.com/best-dvrs/

>the TiVo HD is specifically for those who get TV via cable or

>over-the-air antenna.

>

>reviews.cnet.com/digital-video-recorders-dvrs/tivo-hd-dvr-20/4505-6474_7-32511935.html

>accepts cable TV and over-the-air signals;

>The bad: Requires monthly fee in addition to cable bill; ?????

>

>Over-the-air antenna recording: In addition to, or instead of, cable TV,

>the TiVo HD can receive and record standard-definition and

>high-definition TV signals via an antenna hookup (both analog NTSC and

>digital ATSC broadcasts are supported).

>

>

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>

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>

>

>

>

>

>



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#674 Apr 11, 2013

Hi Dale,



Thanks so much for sharing your helpful info about your set-ups.



Just to verify I'm following you correctly...



You have the HDHomeRun TV tuner ($99) plugged into your old computer

running the Linux distribution - Mythbuntu, have I got that right?



Are you connecting the HDHomeRun TV tuner via a USB 1 port? Or 2.0?



I guess the same issue exists for hard drives as DVRs in that everything

gets saved to one huge file. Have you figured out a workaround so that

you can save each show you record to its own file on the PC?



I thought that had become an option with video security systems so that

each day's video recoding was saved as a separate computer file, no? Is

that just my wishful thinking?



Following up, you hooked up this tuner - Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick 801e

USB Digital/Analog TV Tuner with Remote ($35) to your DVR, is that correct?



Was that a DVR included in a cable or satellite package? Or did you buy

that DVR separately?



I'll download www.mythbuntu.org/ and burn a CD or DVD of it.



Thanks so much,



Charles.



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#675 Apr 11, 2013

Hi Bill,



Thank you very much for sharing your set up.



This is fascinating stuff!



I just wanted to make sure I'm understating you clearly.



Your MAGNAVOX MDR533H/F7 320GB HDD and DVD Recorder with Digital Tune

($274.99) includes *both* a DVD recorder to record shows *and* the

tuner, is that correct?



You mentioned you have it hooked up to a Winegard - do you recall which

model?



Did you install that "digital" antenna yourself? On a tall pole next to

your house?



I made the mistake of getting a cheap "digital" antenna for about $30

which was recommended by a local ham radio guy from one of the ham radio

clubs.



I don't quite understand why one has to pay a monthly fee to TiVo? They

are not providing any service just hardware, right?



So, if I underantd you corelty you cna burn DVDs of a show using your

MAGNAVOX DVD Recorder/Tuner to burn the DVD?



And your MAGNAVOX DVD Recorder/Tuner has a HDD, is that right?



Thanks again for all your help.



Charles.







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#676 Apr 11, 2013

On 4/11/2013 2:41 PM, charles meyer wrote: > Hi Dale,

>

> Thanks so much for sharing your helpful info about your set-ups.

>

> Just to verify I'm following you correctly...

>

> You have the HDHomeRun TV tuner ($99) plugged into your old computer

> running the Linux distribution - Mythbuntu, have I got that right?

>

> Are you connecting the HDHomeRun TV tuner via a USB 1 port? Or 2.0?



The hdhomerun is a network tuner, you plug it into your network router

or you can plug it into the back of the computer. It has an automatic

sense so you don't need a cross over cable to plug it straight into your

network card in the computer. Mine is plugged into my network router and

I can view TV anywhere in my house I can access the wireless or wired

network.

>

> I guess the same issue exists for hard drives as DVRs in that everything

> gets saved to one huge file. Have you figured out a workaround so that

> you can save each show you record to its own file on the PC?

>

> I thought that had become an option with video security systems so that

> each day's video recoding was saved as a separate computer file, no? Is

> that just my wishful thinking?



Each show is recorded to it's own file. There are options to do just

about anything you want to in the menus of Mythtv.

>

> Following up, you hooked up this tuner - Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick 801e

> USB Digital/Analog TV Tuner with Remote ($35) to your DVR, is that correct?



The USB tuner is plugged into the Mythbuntu box via usb 2.0 and it isn't

a really powerful system either.

With the new digital television you don't need a powerful system to

record cause the feed is already being sent as a mpeg file.

>

> Was that a DVR included in a cable or satellite package? Or did you buy

> that DVR separately?

>

> I'll download www.mythbuntu.org/ and burn a CD or DVD of it.

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Charles.



My system is an older AMD motherboard with a Nvidia video card for hdmi

output and it can only take 2 gig of ram on the board. We are at present

using about 140 gig of harddrive but I'm going to be putting in a 300

gig harddrive and pulling out the 20 gig drive. I'm going to chang the

motherboard to an Intel that I just put to the side cause I got a new

desktop system. The motherboard I'm going to replace it with can take 4

gig of ram and has a 3.0 gig Intel duo processor.









--

All the Best & 73's

Dale Miller, KC2CBD

Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



Registered Linux User: #317401

Linux since June 2003

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#677 Apr 11, 2013

A lot of people go out and spend a lot of money for a brand new DVR when

they have a perfectly good PC with a hard drive that can do the same job.

Just takes a video card with freeware which can be downloaded off the

internet. Far cheaper than the DVR route.



Rob

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dale Miller stpatrick2@...> wrote:



> **

>

>

> On 4/11/2013 2:41 PM, charles meyer wrote:

> > Hi Dale,

> >

> > Thanks so much for sharing your helpful info about your set-ups.

> >

> > Just to verify I'm following you correctly...

> >

> > You have the HDHomeRun TV tuner ($99) plugged into your old computer

> > running the Linux distribution - Mythbuntu, have I got that right?

> >

> > Are you connecting the HDHomeRun TV tuner via a USB 1 port? Or 2.0?

>

> The hdhomerun is a network tuner, you plug it into your network router

> or you can plug it into the back of the computer. It has an automatic

> sense so you don't need a cross over cable to plug it straight into your

> network card in the computer. Mine is plugged into my network router and

> I can view TV anywhere in my house I can access the wireless or wired

> network.

>

>

> >

> > I guess the same issue exists for hard drives as DVRs in that everything

> > gets saved to one huge file. Have you figured out a workaround so that

> > you can save each show you record to its own file on the PC?

> >

> > I thought that had become an option with video security systems so that

> > each day's video recoding was saved as a separate computer file, no? Is

> > that just my wishful thinking?

>

> Each show is recorded to it's own file. There are options to do just

> about anything you want to in the menus of Mythtv.

>

>

> >

> > Following up, you hooked up this tuner - Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick 801e

> > USB Digital/Analog TV Tuner with Remote ($35) to your DVR, is that

> correct?

>

> The USB tuner is plugged into the Mythbuntu box via usb 2.0 and it isn't

> a really powerful system either.

> With the new digital television you don't need a powerful system to

> record cause the feed is already being sent as a mpeg file.

>

>

> >

> > Was that a DVR included in a cable or satellite package? Or did you buy

> > that DVR separately?

> >

> > I'll download www.mythbuntu.org/ and burn a CD or DVD of it.

> >

> > Thanks so much,

> >

> > Charles.

>

> My system is an older AMD motherboard with a Nvidia video card for hdmi

> output and it can only take 2 gig of ram on the board. We are at present

> using about 140 gig of harddrive but I'm going to be putting in a 300

> gig harddrive and pulling out the 20 gig drive. I'm going to chang the

> motherboard to an Intel that I just put to the side cause I got a new

> desktop system. The motherboard I'm going to replace it with can take 4

> gig of ram and has a 3.0 gig Intel duo processor.

>

>

> --

> All the Best & 73's

> Dale Miller, KC2CBD

> Tennessee

> Ham Operator since 1997

> Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005

>

> Registered Linux User: #317401

> Linux since June 2003

> Registered Ubuntu User #26423

>

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>

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#678 Apr 11, 2013

.....not to mention the recorded program is right there on the hard drive

available for editing and/or burning to a DVD if desired.



Rob

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Robert Williams will7370@...> wrote:



> A lot of people go out and spend a lot of money for a brand new DVR when

> they have a perfectly good PC with a hard drive that can do the same job.

> Just takes a video card with freeware which can be downloaded off the

> internet. Far cheaper than the DVR route.

>

> Rob

>

> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dale Miller stpatrick2@...>wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> On 4/11/2013 2:41 PM, charles meyer wrote:

>> > Hi Dale,

>> >

>> > Thanks so much for sharing your helpful info about your set-ups.

>> >

>> > Just to verify I'm following you correctly...

>> >

>> > You have the HDHomeRun TV tuner ($99) plugged into your old computer

>> > running the Linux distribution - Mythbuntu, have I got that right?

>> >

>> > Are you connecting the HDHomeRun TV tuner via a USB 1 port? Or 2.0?

>>

>> The hdhomerun is a network tuner, you plug it into your network router

>> or you can plug it into the back of the computer. It has an automatic

>> sense so you don't need a cross over cable to plug it straight into your

>> network card in the computer. Mine is plugged into my network router and

>> I can view TV anywhere in my house I can access the wireless or wired

>> network.

>>

>>

>> >

>> > I guess the same issue exists for hard drives as DVRs in that everything

>> > gets saved to one huge file. Have you figured out a workaround so that

>> > you can save each show you record to its own file on the PC?

>> >

>> > I thought that had become an option with video security systems so that

>> > each day's video recoding was saved as a separate computer file, no? Is

>> > that just my wishful thinking?

>>

>> Each show is recorded to it's own file. There are options to do just

>> about anything you want to in the menus of Mythtv.

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Following up, you hooked up this tuner - Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick 801e

>> > USB Digital/Analog TV Tuner with Remote ($35) to your DVR, is that

>> correct?

>>

>> The USB tuner is plugged into the Mythbuntu box via usb 2.0 and it isn't

>> a really powerful system either.

>> With the new digital television you don't need a powerful system to

>> record cause the feed is already being sent as a mpeg file.

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Was that a DVR included in a cable or satellite package? Or did you buy

>> > that DVR separately?

>> >

>> > I'll download www.mythbuntu.org/ and burn a CD or DVD of it.

>> >

>> > Thanks so much,

>> >

>> > Charles.

>>

>> My system is an older AMD motherboard with a Nvidia video card for hdmi

>> output and it can only take 2 gig of ram on the board. We are at present

>> using about 140 gig of harddrive but I'm going to be putting in a 300

>> gig harddrive and pulling out the 20 gig drive. I'm going to chang the

>> motherboard to an Intel that I just put to the side cause I got a new

>> desktop system. The motherboard I'm going to replace it with can take 4

>> gig of ram and has a 3.0 gig Intel duo processor.

>>

>>

>> --

>> All the Best & 73's

>> Dale Miller, KC2CBD

>> Tennessee

>> Ham Operator since 1997

>> Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005

>>

>> Registered Linux User: #317401

>> Linux since June 2003

>> Registered Ubuntu User #26423

>>

>> stpatrick3spam@...

>> stpatrick2spam@...

>> stpatrick3spam@...

>> bdchimneysweepspam@...

>>

>> (cut the spam to reply)

>>

>> VOTE TO REBUILD!

>> www.twintowersalliance.com

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>>

>>

>>

>

>





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#679 Apr 11, 2013

.

Bill

.

If society's rules were law, I'd be on Death Row.





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> From: charles meyer chasm@...>

>To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:41 PM

>Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: dvrs

>

>

>Hi Bill,

>

>Thank you very much for sharing your set up.

>This is fascinating stuff!

>I just wanted to make sure I'm understating you clearly.

>Your MAGNAVOX MDR533H/F7 320GB HDD and DVD Recorder with Digital Tune

>($274.99) includes *both* a DVD recorder to record shows. *and* the

>tuner, is that correct?>>

>

>

>

>

>Yes.

>

>

>>>You mentioned you have it hooked up to a Winegard - do you recall which

>model?

>

>

>

>

>9095

>

>

>>>Did you install that "digital" antenna yourself? On a tall pole next to

>your house?>>

>

>

>

>

>I installed it in the attic since the HOA here banned outdoor antennas (but not dishes!). .Granted it may do better outdoors, its not subject to the weather. .I installed a signal booster at the antenna since there's cables about 50-70' long going to 3 rooms. .The booster is more critical to digital signals than it was for analog.

>

>

>>>I made the mistake of getting a cheap "digital" antenna for about $30

>which was recommended by a local ham radio guy from one of the ham radio

>clubs.>>

>

>

>

>

>They are what they are. .For $30, I assume its an indoor antenna.

>

>

>>>I don't quite understand why one has to pay a monthly fee to TiVo? They

>are not providing any service just hardware, right?>>

>

>

>

>

>They say its a service but I dont know where the service part is. .The only benefit I know of is the hardware and it may do 4 shows at once.

>

>

>>>So, if I underantd you corelty you cna burn DVDs of a show using your

>MAGNAVOX DVD Recorder/Tuner to burn the DVD?>>

>

>

>

>

>Yes. .Also, I can edit out the commercials and get 3 shows on 1 dvd (a 1 hour show is reduced to about 40 mins).

>

>

>

>>>And your MAGNAVOX DVD Recorder/Tuner has a HDD, is that right?>>

>

>

>

>

>Yes. .Mine is 320GB HDD but they also come in 500GB and 1000GB (1TB). .1TB can store 1/2 my DVD collection.

>

>

>>>Thanks again for all your help.>>

>

>

>

>No prob. .I enjoy sharing about the dream machine. .



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#683 Apr 12, 2013

On 4/12/2013 8:30 AM, Child Free wrote: > Gotcha. That would be another toughie since only 1 of my TVs is on the network and the remaining are CRT's. I just read about it...impractical for me but I like the fact that there's another alternative. Its unfortunate the learning curve on it is pretty much up to us geeks.

>

> Bill

>



Not any more. Mythbuntu has made it really easy now.

The OS install is only a few steps, and MythTV now has a setup upon

first boot.

Of course the menus aren't that hard to understand though.



--

All the Best & 73's

Dale Miller, KC2CBD

Tennessee

Ham Operator since 1997

Member of YahooPipesmokers and ASP since February 2005



Registered Linux User: #317401

Linux since June 2003

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#690 Apr 15, 2013

On 13-04-12 09:30 AM, Child Free wrote: >remaining are CRT's.



Most CRT Tv sets are "standard Definition, and Analog. only the TV

station guys normally have High Definition CRT monitors.



Getting a Cheep computer with a Video Card that gives Analog output is

not too hard, and you can use a modulator for a DVD player to get the

picture into a TV set that does not have a Video Input.



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