Re: Can I get a recommendation for an antenna?


Dec 15, 2008

 


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#143 Dec 15, 2008

I now have Directv, which I am keeping, and want to at least receive

the Philadelphia, Pa local stations. I receive the local New York City

channels now, but will probably add a rotor to receive the over the

air NY stations later. I am having a hard time attaching my tvfool.com

antenna analysis results here. My address isn't recognized, so here

are my latitude and longitude numbers:lat. 39.954306, lon. -074.31412,

if anyone wants to see what my reception should be. I am thinking that

just a UHF antenna should be adequate since the only VHF station that

I would be able to add that I don't get now is ch.6, in Philadelphia.

I get the ABC network from NY so the only extra programming I would

get is the local news and I still would have all the other networks

for that. One other thing. Should I connect the antenna directly to

the TV or to my Directv antenna input? My question is really if I will

loose any picture quality by going thru the Directv box. I am aware

that the programs should appear in the program guide which would be a

plus, if I use the Directv method. I also expect to need a pre-amp and

I plan on getting a Channel Master. Does anyone suggest another brand?

Which antenna should I get?

Thank you for any help you can provide.



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#144 Dec 16, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" musket3@...> wrote: >

> I now have Directv, which I am keeping, and want to at least receive

> the Philadelphia, Pa local stations. I receive the local New York

City > channels now, but will probably add a rotor to receive the over the

> air NY stations later. I am having a hard time attaching my

tvfool.com > antenna analysis results here. My address isn't recognized, so here

> are my latitude and longitude numbers:lat. 39.954306, lon. -

074.31412, > if anyone wants to see what my reception should be. I am thinking

that > just a UHF antenna should be adequate since the only VHF station

that > I would be able to add that I don't get now is ch.6, in

Philadelphia. > I get the ABC network from NY so the only extra programming I would

> get is the local news and I still would have all the other networks

> for that. One other thing. Should I connect the antenna directly to

> the TV or to my Directv antenna input? My question is really if I

will > loose any picture quality by going thru the Directv box. I am aware

> that the programs should appear in the program guide which would be

a > plus, if I use the Directv method. I also expect to need a pre-amp

and > I plan on getting a Channel Master. Does anyone suggest another

brand? > Which antenna should I get?

> Thank you for any help you can provide.

>

What is as important as distance from transmitters is the general

topography around your reciever. Are you up, down or reasonably level

with the ground around you?



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#152 Dec 17, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "James h Taylor"

jhtaylor2001@...> wrote: >

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" musket3@> wrote:

> >

> > I now have Directv, which I am keeping, and want to at least receive

> > the Philadelphia, Pa local stations. I receive the local New York

> City

> > channels now, but will probably add a rotor to receive the over the

> > air NY stations later. I am having a hard time attaching my

> tvfool.com

> > antenna analysis results here. My address isn't recognized, so here

> > are my latitude and longitude numbers:lat. 39.954306, lon. -

> 074.31412,

> > if anyone wants to see what my reception should be. I am thinking

> that

> > just a UHF antenna should be adequate since the only VHF station

> that

> > I would be able to add that I don't get now is ch.6, in

> Philadelphia.

> > I get the ABC network from NY so the only extra programming I would

> > get is the local news and I still would have all the other networks

> > for that. One other thing. Should I connect the antenna directly to

> > the TV or to my Directv antenna input? My question is really if I

> will

> > loose any picture quality by going thru the Directv box. I am aware

> > that the programs should appear in the program guide which would be

> a

> > plus, if I use the Directv method. I also expect to need a pre-amp

> and

> > I plan on getting a Channel Master. Does anyone suggest another

> brand?

> > Which antenna should I get?

> > Thank you for any help you can provide.

> >

> What is as important as distance from transmitters is the general

> topography around your reciever. Are you up, down or reasonably level

> with the ground around you?

>

There is all level ground and one family homes near here. There are a

few trees a few hundred feet away, nothing much else, no tall

buildings. I have a one story home and I intend to put a side wall

mount with an antenna about 10 feet above the roof. That would make it

about 20 ft above ground.



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#153 Dec 17, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" musket3@...> wrote: >

> >

> There is all level ground and one family homes near here. There are a

> few trees a few hundred feet away, nothing much else, no tall

> buildings. I have a one story home and I intend to put a side wall

> mount with an antenna about 10 feet above the roof. That would make it

> about 20 ft above ground.

>

That sounds like a good plan. And a rotor will no doubt be needed,

unless you have one array pointed toward NYC and another at Philly.

You're in a great place and a bad place all at once. You probably

SHOULD be able to pull most stations from both markets, but both are

going to be subject to the dreaded "cliff effect". I wish I could

recomend a specific antenna, but results vary from user to user. A UHF

array with corner reflectors will probably do OK. You could have two,

one in each direction, tied with a combiner, as multipath will not be

much of a issue. Or one on a rotor. But it will need to be a

substantial, outdoor, antenna with reflectors, as you will need all the

signal you can get. I'm not a fan of amplifiers for digital reception,

I and a lot of others have found them less than useful. I'm not sure

why. But that doesn't mean not to have a pre-amp, just you ought to try

things without one first. My choice would be a single antenna on a

rotor. The big problem will be scaning in the stations with the antenna

pointed away from half of them. If you can't directly enter the

channels, we're going to have to have a plan "b". The solutions will

probaly be simple, but finding them probably will not be. I hope this

helps a little. But you do not seem to be subject, where you are, to

some big problems.







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#154 Dec 17, 2008

James h Taylor wrote: > The big problem will be scaning in the stations with the antenna

> pointed away from half of them. If you can't directly enter the

> channels, we're going to have to have a plan "b". The solutions will

> probaly be simple, but finding them probably will not be. I hope this

> helps a little. But you do not seem to be subject, where you are, to

> some big problems.





That is where the "scan for new channels" feature is handy. it will add

any it finds while leaving what already exists. Rotate the antena 10%

and repeat. 36 times and you have the circle covered.



--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/

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#155 Dec 18, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...> wrote: >

>>

>

> That is where the "scan for new channels" feature is handy. it will

add > any it finds while leaving what already exists. Rotate the antena 10%

> and repeat. 36 times and you have the circle covered.

>

> --

> Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

> =

That's good if the tuner/converter has such a feature. Some do not.

They require a new scan to add channels, eliminating all the old ones

in process.



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#156 Dec 18, 2008

--- On Thu, 12/18/08, James h Taylor jhtaylor2001@...> wrote:

>That's good if the tuner/converter has such a feature. Some do not.

>They require a new scan to add channels, eliminating all the old ones

>in the process.



That was always my big question. If you have transmitters in different directions, and are using an antenna on a rotor, does your converter box retain memory from the first scan when you do a new scan in a different direction? If not, it will get to be quite a pain to have to rescan for channels every night when you're watching TV.



And if it DOES retain channel memory from former scans, what happens if you move to a new city and the box still retains the old channel memories from where you used to live?



Rob



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#157 Dec 18, 2008

Robert Williams wrote:

> And if it DOES retain channel memory from former scans, what happens

> if you move to a new city and the box still retains the old channel

> memories from where you used to live?





That is a design decison that I am sure that many of the tuners or

converter boxes don't have right.



The one I have been playing with has a scan for channels that starts

from scratch, and also has (slightly hidden in the menus wich is

unfortunate) another scan that Leaves what is already programed, and adds.



When using the box in a new location one would of course use the first

type of scan. thus discarding whatever channel data the unit used in

it's previous life. the second scan would be run regularly to see if

any new staions have shown up.



the other approch is to use the "manual tuning" to go to any channel at

random and add it to the list. On the box I am playing with this

requires you to go to the Phyical channel. for example here in Ottawa

CBC CBOT4 is phyicaly transmitting on UHF25 but announcing on the

converter box as Digital4-1 (CBOT's Analog transmiter has been on VHF 4

since they started up back when I was a couple of months old back in 1953)



You may want to look on the web to see if someone has done a channel

map/listing like the one in our local area...



www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/ottawa_hdtv.htm>



{Note that here in Canada the final switch to digital is a couple of

years off}









--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/

No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail.



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#158 Dec 21, 2008

It would seem the transition was not fully thought through by the US

Government. That is understandable, given the nature of government.

Not nearly enough attention was given to antenna concerns, and the

converter box program guaranteed a lot of problems. By establishing

that no box that exeeded minumim performance could be coupon

eligible, the government created a large underclass of viewers.

Viewers who might have been better off with better information and

better technology, which is not now easily available. The major

malfunction was the disinformation about getting a coupon, acquiring

a converter with it, and then being set for the "digital

revolution". Things are nowhere near that simple.

Nobody will be getting a "digital picture" with a converter box,

although they will get a good analog picture. An SD digital TV is

much better than any converted analog TV, as far as picture. What is

good, maybe, is that the mandated switch to digital may advance

consumer products in the next few years, and things really will be

better. I think most of us will probably want to re-tool sooner than

we originally thought.



--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...>

wrote: >

> Robert Williams wrote:

>

> > And if it DOES retain channel memory from former scans, what

happens > > if you move to a new city and the box still retains the old

channel > > memories from where you used to live?

>

>

> That is a design decison that I am sure that many of the tuners or

> converter boxes don't have right.

>

> The one I have been playing with has a scan for channels that starts

> from scratch, and also has (slightly hidden in the menus wich is

> unfortunate) another scan that Leaves what is already programed,

and adds. >

> When using the box in a new location one would of course use the

first > type of scan. thus discarding whatever channel data the unit used in

> it's previous life. the second scan would be run regularly to see

if > any new staions have shown up.

>

> the other approch is to use the "manual tuning" to go to any

channel at > random and add it to the list. On the box I am playing with this

> requires you to go to the Phyical channel. for example here in

Ottawa > CBC CBOT4 is phyicaly transmitting on UHF25 but announcing on the

> converter box as Digital4-1 (CBOT's Analog transmiter has been on

VHF 4 > since they started up back when I was a couple of months old back

in 1953) >

> You may want to look on the web to see if someone has done a channel

> map/listing like the one in our local area...

>

> www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/ottawa_hdtv.htm>

>

> {Note that here in Canada the final switch to digital is a couple of

> years off}

>

>

>

>

> --

> Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

> cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

> www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/

> No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail.

>







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#159 Dec 21, 2008

The main thing I want to get is a digital converter box with a TIVO/DVR built in..

.

Rob

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, James h Taylor jhtaylor2001@...> wrote:





From: James h Taylor jhtaylor2001@...>

Subject: [TV_Antennas] Re: Can I get a recommendation for an antenna?

To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 6:50 AM













It would seem the transition was not fully thought through by the US

Government. That is understandable, given the nature of government.

Not nearly enough attention was given to antenna concerns, and the

converter box program guaranteed a lot of problems. By establishing

that no box that exeeded minumim performance could be coupon

eligible, the government created a large underclass of viewers.

Viewers who might have been better off with better information and

better technology, which is not now easily available. The major

malfunction was the disinformation about getting a coupon, acquiring

a converter with it, and then being set for the "digital

revolution". Things are nowhere near that simple.

Nobody will be getting a "digital picture" with a converter box,

although they will get a good analog picture. An SD digital TV is

much better than any converted analog TV, as far as picture. What is

good, maybe, is that the mandated switch to digital may advance

consumer products in the next few years, and things really will be

better. I think most of us will probably want to re-tool sooner than

we originally thought.



--- In TV_Antennas@ yahoogroups. com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...>

wrote:

>

> Robert Williams wrote:

>

> > And if it DOES retain channel memory from former scans, what

happens

> > if you move to a new city and the box still retains the old

channel

> > memories from where you used to live?

>

>

> That is a design decison that I am sure that many of the tuners or

> converter boxes don't have right.

>

> The one I have been playing with has a scan for channels that starts

> from scratch, and also has (slightly hidden in the menus wich is

> unfortunate) another scan that Leaves what is already programed,

and adds.

>

> When using the box in a new location one would of course use the

first

> type of scan. thus discarding whatever channel data the unit used in

> it's previous life. the second scan would be run regularly to see

if

> any new staions have shown up.

>

> the other approch is to use the "manual tuning" to go to any

channel at

> random and add it to the list. On the box I am playing with this

> requires you to go to the Phyical channel. for example here in

Ottawa

> CBC CBOT4 is phyicaly transmitting on UHF25 but announcing on the

> converter box as Digital4-1 (CBOT's Analog transmiter has been on

VHF 4

> since they started up back when I was a couple of months old back

in 1953)

>

> You may want to look on the web to see if someone has done a channel

> map/listing like the one in our local area...

>

> www.remotece ntral.com/ hdtv/ottawa_ hdtv.htm>

>

> {Note that here in Canada the final switch to digital is a couple of

> years off}

>

>

>

>

> --

> Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

> cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

> www.TelecomO ttawa.net/ ~cmacd/

> No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail.

>





































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#160 Dec 21, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Robert Williams will7370@...>

wrote: >

> The main thing I want to get is a digital converter box with a

TIVO/DVR built in.. > .

> Rob

>

I think right now, that's something I might want, too, Bob. Philips has

had one for sell recently (DVDR3575H)

, with a ATSC tuner and composite outputs that could be hooked to your

TV.

But I'm also looking a bit ahead. And I think there may be a less

expensive and maybe better alternative soon. I just not sure it would

be best to acquire anything related to DTV except essentials for a

little while. The technology just has not shaken down as well as I'd

like, yet.



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#161 Dec 21, 2008

Robert Williams wrote:

> The main thing I want to get is a digital converter box with a TIVO/DVR built in.



news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10093628-1.html



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#162 Dec 21, 2008

That's the ticket, right there.. This will be the final nail in the VCR coffin.. Anything you want to keep can be dubbed direct to DVD.

.

Rob

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Eric knip@...> wrote:





From: Eric knip@...>

Subject: Re: [TV_Antennas] Re: Can I get a recommendation for an antenna?

To: TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 11:05 AM













Robert Williams wrote:



> The main thing I want to get is a digital converter box with a TIVO/DVR built in.



news. cnet.com/ 8301-17938_ 105-10093628- 1.html



































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







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#163 Dec 21, 2008

James h Taylor wrote: > By establishing

> that no box that exeeded minumim performance could be coupon

> eligible, the government created a large underclass of viewers.

> Viewers who might have been better off with better information and

> better technology, which is not now easily available.

>

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...>



>> The one I have been playing with has a scan for channels that starts

>> from scratch, and also has (slightly hidden in the menus wich is

>> unfortunate) another scan that Leaves what is already programed,

> and adds.



FWIW, the box I am describing (bought off e-bay from the US as they have

not bothered to stock them at local stores- Canada sometimes waits to

see how things go in the states first) is a "Best Buy INSIGNIA brand

"coupon eligible converter box NS-DXA1"



The ebay seller described it as open box stock. (and the decription was

accurate, although the unit seems to pick up the two english and one

french station that are curently transmiting in my vicinity just fine.)





--

Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

cmacd@... Just Beyond the Fringe

www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/

No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail.



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#164 Dec 22, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@...>

wrote: >

>>

> > --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Charles MacDonald cmacd@>

>

> >> The one I have been playing with has a scan for channels that

starts > >> from scratch, and also has (slightly hidden in the menus wich is

> >> unfortunate) another scan that Leaves what is already programed,

> > and adds.

>

> FWIW, the box I am describing (bought off e-bay from the US as they

have > not bothered to stock them at local stores- Canada sometimes waits

to > see how things go in the states first) is a "Best Buy INSIGNIA brand

> "coupon eligible converter box NS-DXA1"

>

> The ebay seller described it as open box stock. (and the decription

was > accurate, although the unit seems to pick up the two english and one

> french station that are curently transmiting in my vicinity just

fine.) >

>

> --

> Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario

>

I have one of those, Charles. Seems to function well. Some others

I've tried to work with aren't as capable.



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#165 Dec 22, 2008

--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Robert Williams will7370@...>

wrote: >

> That's the ticket, right there.. This will be the final nail in the

VCR coffin.. Anything you want to keep can be dubbed direct to DVD. > .

> Rob

>

No doubt this will be a good device, if one can be had. They have been

promised for quite a while. There is another possibility. For less than

200.00 dollars, and external tuner and hardrive can be attached to a

computer with 2.0 USB ports, and all the recording one could want could

be accomplished. Antenna attaches externally, too. I've thought of a

dedicated CPU just for that purpose.



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#166 Dec 23, 2008

Has anyone pre-ordered one of these PTVPal DVRs?





--- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "James h Taylor"

jhtaylor2001@...> wrote: >

> --- In TV_Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Robert Williams will7370@>

> wrote:

> >

> > That's the ticket, right there.. This will be the final nail in the

> VCR coffin.. Anything you want to keep can be dubbed direct to DVD.

> > .

> > Rob

> >

> No doubt this will be a good device, if one can be had. They have been

> promised for quite a while. There is another possibility. For less than

> 200.00 dollars, and external tuner and hardrive can be attached to a

> computer with 2.0 USB ports, and all the recording one could want could

> be accomplished. Antenna attaches externally, too. I've thought of a

> dedicated CPU just for that purpose.

>



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