Re: tec 160 ed on saturn


Feb 3 2:43 AM

 


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#11950 Feb 3 2:43 AM

��Ifinally got some real quality time tonight with Saturn on the 160ED.

��In apair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply SUPERB !��Therings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick something

between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite atrick.��With afine layer of cirrus forming��above me, and ablasting full moon bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe ringagainst the black of�� space and��quite finelyacross��the globe. The globe showed several bands with some disturbancesseen in them. A few times tonight I would��be looking atthe image thinking "man, it is sharp" when I'd reach

up andtweak it even a little tighter with the FT fine focuser.��Just painful good!��Duringmoments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine lines in the Bring (out away from the globe) and some variations in the

littleA ring as well.��Therings looked quite white when compared with the globe. ��Yuri -Wonderful Telescope��MikeClemens����������



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#11951 Feb 3 7:15 AM

Wow Mike, wonderful description. I felt as if I were there at the

eyepiece as well. Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!



Thank you Mike.



-Evan

--- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "Mike C" mike@...> wrote:

>

>

> I finally got some real quality time tonight with Saturn on the

160ED.

>

> In a pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply SUPERB !

>

> The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick something

> between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite a

trick.

>

> With a fine layer of cirrus forming above me, and a blasting full

moon

> bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe ring against the

black

> of space and quite finely across the globe. The globe showed

several

> bands with some disturbances seen in them. A few times tonight I

> would be looking at the image thinking "man, it is sharp" when I'd

reach

> up and tweak it even a little tighter with the FT fine focuser.

Just

> painful

> good!

>

> During moments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine lines in

> the B ring (out away from the globe) and some variations in the

> little A ring as well.

>

> The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.

>

> Yuri - Wonderful Telescope

>

> Mike Clemens

>



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#11952 Feb 3 8:23 AM

Can't wait for a break in the weather so I can adapt the scope to the

mount. It's frustrating after the wait not to be able to just jump

out there and use it.



Thanks for the report Mike.



Siegfried

>>>



I finally got some real quality time tonight with Saturn on the

160ED.



In a pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply SUPERB !



The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick something

between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite a trick.



With a fine layer of cirrus forming above me, and a blasting full

moon

bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe ring against the

black

of space and quite finely across the globe. The globe showed several

bands with some disturbances seen in them. A few times tonight I

would be looking at the image thinking "man, it is sharp" when I'd

reach

up and tweak it even a little tighter with the FT fine focuser. Just

painful

good!



During moments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine lines in

the B ring (out away from the globe) and some variations in the

little A ring as well.



The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.



Yuri - Wonderful Telescope



Mike Clemens

> The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.

>

> Yuri - Wonderful Telescope

>

> Mike Clemens

>



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#11954 Feb 3 11:49 AM

>Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

Striations in the A ring might be a bit generous.Definitely striationsin the ansae of the B ring during the best moments. For theA ringI would say I��saw a single albedo curve from oneside of the A ring to the other. Bright against the Cassini anddarker out towards the edge.��Mike����

From:tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Ofechan1127Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:15 AMTo:tec-scopes@yahoogroups.comSubject: [tec-scopes] Re: tec 160 ed onsaturn



Wow Mike, wonderful description. I felt as if I were there at the

eyepiece as well. Striations in A & B rings? Simplyfabulous!!!

Thank you Mike.

-Evan

--- In tec-scopes@yahoogro ups.com,"Mike C" mike@...> wrote:

>> > I finally got some

real quality time tonight with Saturn on the 160ED. > > In a

pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply SUPERB ! > >

The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick something >

between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite a

trick. > > With a fine layer of cirrus forming above me, and a

blasting full moon > bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe

ring against the black > of space and quite finely across the globe.

The globe showed several > bands with some disturbances seen in them.

A few times tonight I > would be looking at the image thinking "man, it

is sharp" when I'd reach > up and tweak it even a little tighter with

the FT fine focuser. Just > painful > good!> >

During moments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine lines in > the B

ring (out away from the globe) and some variations in the > little A ring

as well. > > The rings looked quite white when compared with the

globe. > > Yuri - Wonderful Telescope> > Mike

Clemens >







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#11955 Feb 3 12:30 PM

With the 160ED I'm thinking you should be able to see the Encke

Minima simply at a glance if conditions are even just average. Is

that what the "single albedo curve" is?



Also, with 160mm of apo-ture, you're not gonna run out of light until

up over 250x. I get a kick out of observers stating that they were

at 300x with a 4" apo on Jupiter (the contrast gets way too low).

With the 160ED Jupiter is going to be tremendous. Please keep us up

to date.



I'm going to try and spend some quality time with Saturn tonight as

well...



-Evan

--- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "Mike C" mike@...> wrote:

>

> > Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

>

> Striations in the A ring might be a bit generous. Definitely

striations

> in the ansae of the B ring during the best moments. For the A ring

> I would say I saw a single albedo curve from one side of the A ring

> to the other. Bright against the Cassini and darker out towards the

> edge.

>

> Mike

>

>

> _____

>

> From: tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tec-

scopes@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of echan1127

> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:15 AM

> To: tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [tec-scopes] Re: tec 160 ed on saturn

>

>

>

> Wow Mike, wonderful description. I felt as if I were there at the

> eyepiece as well. Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

>

> Thank you Mike.

>

> -Evan

>

> --- In tec-scopes@yahoogro mailto:tec-scopes%40yahoogroups.com>

ups.com,

> "Mike C" mike@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I finally got some real quality time tonight with Saturn on the

> 160ED.

> >

> > In a pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply SUPERB !

> >

> > The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick something

> > between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite a

> trick.

> >

> > With a fine layer of cirrus forming above me, and a blasting full

> moon

> > bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe ring against the

> black

> > of space and quite finely across the globe. The globe showed

> several

> > bands with some disturbances seen in them. A few times tonight I

> > would be looking at the image thinking "man, it is sharp" when

I'd

> reach

> > up and tweak it even a little tighter with the FT fine focuser.

> Just

> > painful

> > good!

> >

> > During moments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine lines in

> > the B ring (out away from the globe) and some variations in the

> > little A ring as well.

> >

> > The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.

> >

> > Yuri - Wonderful Telescope

> >

> > Mike Clemens

> >

>



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#11956 Feb 3 12:56 PM

Of course, Encke minimum. I have seen it within the A ring at more

than 270x with my 6" f/9 ED, last year and a few nights ago.

However, seeing must be very good. A 160ED should reveal this at

more than 250x using some high-end planetary EPs.



--- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "echan1127" echan1127@...> wrote:

>

> With the 160ED I'm thinking you should be able to see the Encke

> Minima simply at a glance if conditions are even just average. Is

> that what the "single albedo curve" is?

>

> Also, with 160mm of apo-ture, you're not gonna run out of light

until

> up over 250x. I get a kick out of observers stating that they

were

> at 300x with a 4" apo on Jupiter (the contrast gets way too low).

> With the 160ED Jupiter is going to be tremendous. Please keep us

up

> to date.

>

> I'm going to try and spend some quality time with Saturn tonight

as

> well...

>

> -Evan

>

> --- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "Mike C" mike@> wrote:

> >

> > > Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

> >

> > Striations in the A ring might be a bit generous. Definitely

> striations

> > in the ansae of the B ring during the best moments. For the A

ring

> > I would say I saw a single albedo curve from one side of the A

ring

> > to the other. Bright against the Cassini and darker out towards

the

> > edge.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tec-

> scopes@yahoogroups.com] On

> > Behalf Of echan1127

> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:15 AM

> > To: tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: [tec-scopes] Re: tec 160 ed on saturn

> >

> >

> >

> > Wow Mike, wonderful description. I felt as if I were there at

the

> > eyepiece as well. Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

> >

> > Thank you Mike.

> >

> > -Evan

> >

> > --- In tec-scopes@yahoogro mailto:tec-scopes%40yahoogroups.com>

> ups.com,

> > "Mike C" mike@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > I finally got some real quality time tonight with Saturn on

the

> > 160ED.

> > >

> > > In a pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply

SUPERB !

> > >

> > > The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick

something

> > > between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite a

> > trick.

> > >

> > > With a fine layer of cirrus forming above me, and a blasting

full

> > moon

> > > bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe ring against

the

> > black

> > > of space and quite finely across the globe. The globe showed

> > several

> > > bands with some disturbances seen in them. A few times tonight

I

> > > would be looking at the image thinking "man, it is sharp" when

> I'd

> > reach

> > > up and tweak it even a little tighter with the FT fine

focuser.

> > Just

> > > painful

> > > good!

> > >

> > > During moments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine lines

in

> > > the B ring (out away from the globe) and some variations in

the

> > > little A ring as well.

> > >

> > > The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.

> > >

> > > Yuri - Wonderful Telescope

> > >

> > > Mike Clemens

> > >

> >

>







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#11957 Feb 3 1:25 PM

From where I'm at, I routinely see the minima with a 5" apo at the

power you referred to. The TEC140 can do it, I'm certain the 160 can

do it as well.



-Evan



--- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "christiantako"

christiantako@...> wrote: >

> Of course, Encke minimum. I have seen it within the A ring at more

> than 270x with my 6" f/9 ED, last year and a few nights ago.

> However, seeing must be very good. A 160ED should reveal this at

> more than 250x using some high-end planetary EPs.

>

>

> --- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "echan1127" echan1127@> wrote:

> >

> > With the 160ED I'm thinking you should be able to see the Encke

> > Minima simply at a glance if conditions are even just average.

Is > > that what the "single albedo curve" is?

> >

> > Also, with 160mm of apo-ture, you're not gonna run out of light

> until

> > up over 250x. I get a kick out of observers stating that they

> were

> > at 300x with a 4" apo on Jupiter (the contrast gets way too

low). > > With the 160ED Jupiter is going to be tremendous. Please keep us

> up

> > to date.

> >

> > I'm going to try and spend some quality time with Saturn tonight

> as

> > well...

> >

> > -Evan

> >

> > --- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "Mike C" mike@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

> > >

> > > Striations in the A ring might be a bit generous. Definitely

> > striations

> > > in the ansae of the B ring during the best moments. For the A

> ring

> > > I would say I saw a single albedo curve from one side of the A

> ring

> > > to the other. Bright against the Cassini and darker out towards

> the

> > > edge.

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tec-

> > scopes@yahoogroups.com] On

> > > Behalf Of echan1127

> > > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:15 AM

> > > To: tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com

> > > Subject: [tec-scopes] Re: tec 160 ed on saturn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wow Mike, wonderful description. I felt as if I were there at

> the

> > > eyepiece as well. Striations in A & B rings? Simply fabulous!!!

> > >

> > > Thank you Mike.

> > >

> > > -Evan

> > >

> > > --- In tec-scopes@yahoogro mailto:tec-scopes%

40yahoogroups.com> > > ups.com,

> > > "Mike C" mike@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I finally got some real quality time tonight with Saturn on

> the

> > > 160ED.

> > > >

> > > > In a pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply

> SUPERB !

> > > >

> > > > The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could stick

> something

> > > > between the rings and the globe. I guess that would be quite

a > > > trick.

> > > >

> > > > With a fine layer of cirrus forming above me, and a blasting

> full

> > > moon

> > > > bearing down, I could ~still make out the crepe ring against

> the

> > > black

> > > > of space and quite finely across the globe. The globe showed

> > > several

> > > > bands with some disturbances seen in them. A few times

tonight > I

> > > > would be looking at the image thinking "man, it is sharp"

when > > I'd

> > > reach

> > > > up and tweak it even a little tighter with the FT fine

> focuser.

> > > Just

> > > > painful

> > > > good!

> > > >

> > > > During moments of finest seeing tonight I would see fine

lines > in

> > > > the B ring (out away from the globe) and some variations in

> the

> > > > little A ring as well.

> > > >

> > > > The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.

> > > >

> > > > Yuri - Wonderful Telescope

> > > >

> > > > Mike Clemens

> > > >

> > >

> >

>



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#11958 Feb 3 1:38 PM

> ��Is�� that what the "single albedo curve" is?

I saw what looked like a transistion from dark to lightgoing acrossthe A ring from the outside in towards the planet globe.About halfway across the A ring it seems to brighten quite abit.��I think if the cirrus clouds were not forming last nightand if themoon were not bearing down on me, I might have seentheminima. I have seen it previously in a TMB175 I had and

also in my AP152 StarFire f/12 Super-Planetary (which at

15 years old was an incredible scope and I regret sellingit.)��I had other people looking through my 160ED last nightwhenthe seeing was only 1/2 as good as later on, and threecomments I recall from three different people were

��"Wow, just wow"��"It looks like you have a picture of Saturn. Is this reallyreal?"��"My 8" (SCT) can almost do this, but ...it's just soresolved, sovery resolved. I think I need to get a refractor."

��������

From:tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Ofechan1127Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:30 AMTo:tec-scopes@yahoogroups.comSubject: [tec-scopes] Re: tec 160 ed onsaturn



With the 160ED I'm thinking you should be able to see the Encke Minimasimply at a glance if conditions are even just average. Is that what the"single albedo curve" is?

Also, with 160mm of apo-ture, you're not gonnarun out of light until up over 250x. I get a kick out of observers statingthat they were at 300x with a 4" apo on Jupiter (the contrast gets way toolow). With the 160ED Jupiter is going to be tremendous. Please keep us up

to date.

I'm going to try and spend some quality time with Saturntonight as well...

-Evan

--- In tec-scopes@yahoogro ups.com,"Mike C" mike@...> wrote:

>> > Striations in A & B

rings? Simply fabulous!!! > > Striations in the A ring might be a

bit generous. Definitely striations > in the ansae of the B ring

during the best moments. For the A ring > I would say I saw a single

albedo curve from one side of the A ring > to the other. Bright against

the Cassini and darker out towards the > edge.> >

Mike > > > _____ > > From: href="mailto:tec-scopes%40yahoogroups.comtec-scopes@yahoogro ups.com[mailto:tec-scopes@yahoogroups. com]On > Behalf Of echan1127> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:15

AM > To: href="mailto:tec-scopes%40yahoogroups.comtec-scopes@yahoogro ups.com >

Subject: [tec-scopes] Re: tec 160 ed on saturn > > >

> Wow Mike, wonderful description. I felt as if I were there at the

> eyepiece as well. Striations in A & B rings? Simply

fabulous!!! > > Thank you Mike.> > -Evan>

> --- In tec-scopes@yahoogro

mailto:tec- scopes%40yahoogr oups.com> ups.com, > "Mike

C" mike@> wrote: > >> > > > I finally got

some real quality time tonight with Saturn on the > 160ED. > >

> > In a pair of TMB 10mm at about 217x, the view was simply SUPERB

! > > > > The rings were 3D enough it looked like you could

stick something > > between the rings and the globe. I guess that

would be quite a > trick.> > > > With a fine layer of

cirrus forming above me, and a blasting full > moon > > bearing

down, I could ~still make out the crepe ring against the > black >> of space and quite finely across the globe. The globe showed >

several > > bands with some disturbances seen in them. A few times

tonight I > > would be looking at the image thinking "man, it is

sharp" when I'd > reach > > up and tweak it even a little

tighter with the FT fine focuser. > Just> > painful >> good!> > > > During moments of finest seeing tonight I

would see fine lines in > > the B ring (out away from the globe) and

some variations in the > > little A ring as well.> >

> > The rings looked quite white when compared with the globe.

> > > > Yuri - Wonderful Telescope> > >> Mike Clemens> >>







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#11992 Feb 12 11:18 PM

--- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "Siegfried" ziggy943@...> wrote: >

> Can't wait for a break in the weather so I can adapt the scope to the

> mount. It's frustrating after the wait not to be able to just jump

> out there and use it.

>



What are you waiting for Siegfried?



There's no snow down there, is there?



You need a mount?



You can borrow my G-11 if you want.



I'd be going crazy if I had a new TEC 160 and no way to try it out.



Bill



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#11996 Feb 13 9:08 AM

Hey Bill,



I have the mount. I just need the time to do the mechanical

modifications so I can fit the scope on the mount. I think the same

would be true for the G11.



Last weekend was out. My wifoid is pretty good to me when it comes

to astronomy. I need to keep it that way. If that means if I have to

give in on something to preserve the "domestic tranquility" then so

be it.



This weekend looks pretty good for getting something done. Thanks

for the harassment :)



Sig





--- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "etherealnumber99" ratboy99@...>

wrote: >

> --- In tec-scopes@yahoogroups.com, "Siegfried" ziggy943@> wrote:

> >

> > Can't wait for a break in the weather so I can adapt the scope

to the > > mount. It's frustrating after the wait not to be able to just

jump > > out there and use it.

> >

>

> What are you waiting for Siegfried?

>

> There's no snow down there, is there?

>

> You need a mount?

>

> You can borrow my G-11 if you want.

>

> I'd be going crazy if I had a new TEC 160 and no way to try it out.

>

> Bill

>



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