Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] Re: are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?


Aug 1, 2016

 


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#7965 Aug 1, 2016

Hello friends

I am switching to TdAmeritrade and am confused about the PM. Can anyone help me out with this question?

thanksfelicity



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#7966 Aug 1, 2016

As far as I know PM is at 125,000. ��I know of no other levels for retail traders.

Chris

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:24:00 -0700Subject: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

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Hello friends

I am switching to TdAmeritrade and am confused about the PM. Can anyone help me out with this question?

thanksfelicity



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#7969 Aug 1, 2016

Far as I know there all the same, either you have PM or you don't

Keith



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#7971 Aug 1, 2016

thanks .Chris

Assuming you have the $125,000, are their better and worse levels of PM?

Or does PM always mean the same thing?thankfelicity



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#7972 Aug 1, 2016

I believe it is 120k or 125k initial investment, and must remain above 100k to maintain PM.

Thx,Ryan



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#7973 Aug 1, 2016

yes pm or reg t are the only two

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:46:55 -0700Subject: Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

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thanks ��Chris

Assuming you have the $125,000, are their better and worse levels of PM?

Or does PM always mean the same thing?thankfelicity



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#7974 Aug 1, 2016

Yes thank you -- assuming you have the $125,000 are there better and worse levels of PM? Or is PM always just PM? same same?

thanksfelicity

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Birge rbirge@... [supertraderkarenstudy] supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

.I believe it is 120k or 125k initial investment, and must remain above 100k to maintain PM.

Thx,Ryan



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#7975 Aug 1, 2016

They use span margin for futures.��

Ryan



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On Aug 1, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Chris Fitz chrisfitz65@... [supertraderkarenstudy] supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



��yes pm or reg t are the only two

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:46:55 -0700Subject: Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

��

thanks ��Chris

Assuming you have the $125,000, are their better and worse levels of PM?

Or does PM always mean the same thing?thankfelicity



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#7977 Aug 1, 2016

125k at tda

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:51:39 -0400Subject: Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

��

I believe it is 120k or 125k initial investment, and must remain above 100k to maintain PM.

Thx,Ryan



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#7978 Aug 1, 2016

yes pm is just pm.....lol

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:16:31 -0700Subject: SORRY I DIDN'T EXPLAIN MY QUESTION PROPERLY Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

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Yes thank you -- assuming you have the $125,000 are there better and worse levels of PM? Or is PM always just PM? same same?

thanksfelicity

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Birge rbirge@... [supertraderkarenstudy] supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

��

I believe it is 120k or 125k initial investment, and must remain above 100k to maintain PM.

Thx,Ryan



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#7979 Aug 1, 2016

thanks Chris.



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#7980 Aug 1, 2016

Felicity, here is a good example of the 3 margins: ��REG T, SPAN, TIMS

Reg t is for all regular accounts, Span is used for options on futures (note futures are set by the the exchange and they can raise or lower at any time) , TIMS is called portfolio margin and is very similar to Span and has requirements as set by the broker. ��For TD you must have 125k in a reg t account and must pass a test. ��Here is the fun stuff:

sell 1 /es put at 1765 for $16.00 the BPR is $4,300/18.6 % ROC (remember you are really collecting $8 so 800/4300=18.6

sell SPY 5 puts at 177 for 1.61 is a $19,900 BPR/4% ROCwith PM it is $4,600/17.5% ROC

So if you have under 125 k you can use options on futures to get a similar ROC

Hope this helps.

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:29:09 -0400Subject: Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

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They use span margin for futures.��

Ryan



Sent from my iPhone 5

On Aug 1, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Chris Fitz chrisfitz65@... [supertraderkarenstudy] supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



��yes pm or reg t are the only two

To: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comFrom: supertraderkarenstudy@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:46:55 -0700Subject: Re: [SuperTraderKarenStudy] are there different levels of portfolio margin or are they all the same?

��

thanks ��Chris

Assuming you have the $125,000, are their better and worse levels of PM?

Or does PM always mean the same thing?thankfelicity







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#7981 Aug 2, 2016

Chris -- you are the best!!!felicity



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#7982 Aug 2, 2016

Honestly in summary it's quite simply. Once you determine your appropriate position size for your risk tolerance and ROC goals, just trade /ES options.��There is not point at all using/worrying about PM unless you start trading correlated assets because SPAN margin (what /ES options use) is just so much easier on option sellers. Also, SPAN does not seem to change the algorithms that much (I get the daily email about short unit risk so they tell me what the +/- stress test is or you can call and ask) so I think it's safer in that way also

I know that the extra commissions seem annoying (I'm up to $11k this year..and it was only $6k before brexit lol which is when we made the switch from SPX to /ES options). I'd rather have that money sure but it has already saved me a bunch of times where I would have had to move positions around to save margin (rather than because of my strategy). I don't regret it one bit.

And of course for those trading smaller accounts, SPAN does not kick you out at below 125k so you wont' have an unpleasant issue of falling under PM requirements and then you REALLY have to scramble.��



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#7986 Aug 2, 2016

this is awesome advice, thanks Radja?.



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