Re: Proper setup for guiding using MaxIm-Joerg


Sep 20, 2003

 


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#8370 Sep 20, 2003

Hi Group,



I am currently using my MX716 + Star2k under MaxIm for guiding and

imaging. This is okay but, I find this way to be titious (must scale

every image differently to remove the amp glow and the exposure is

doubled). This is really going to be a pain with exposure time esp

when I start doing colour through a LPF.



I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera(one shot

colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate guide camera.

My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716 under

the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress mentioned to me

that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections. Would I

select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX MX7/9 USB.



What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX COM1,camera

relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini requires a relay

box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use the star2k

and its relay box?



The main reason for using the MX716 camera as a guider is it is much

more sensitive then the MX5 guider that can be used with the SXV-9C

camera. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and opinions with

this setup.



Thanks in advance



Chris Appleton

Toronto



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#8384 Sep 21, 2003

Hi Chris,



i imaged with exactly this combo (SXV-H9 and MX716 f. guiding) on

Friday and it worked flawlessly.



In MaxIm you choose the SXV as main camera and star2K MX7/9 as your

guiding camera.

I use the com1 and the st4 output of the S2K, so in the guide-- >settings-tab i choose "control via camera relays"

And in the setup for the guider i chose com port com1

and "corrections: ST4"



As you know, i also have the older gemini so i am using the Losmandy

optocoupler before going to the autoguider-Input of the gemini.



On Friday i used the SXV as main camera, a celestron off-axis-guider

and the MX716 as guiding camera for taking images with my C9,25"

@f/5,6 and it worked GREAT!!



Unfortunately, after taking images for about 5 hours and saving for

about 250MB of data, my Laptop broke down as i tried to get the data

on my PC...Since then i wasn't able to get it back to life ;((((



Regards,



Joerg

--- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" denturist89@s...> wrote:

> Hi Group,

>

> I am currently using my MX716 + Star2k under MaxIm for guiding and

> imaging. This is okay but, I find this way to be titious (must

scale

> every image differently to remove the amp glow and the exposure is

> doubled). This is really going to be a pain with exposure time esp

> when I start doing colour through a LPF.

>

> I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera(one

shot

> colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate guide

camera.

> My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716 under

> the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress mentioned to

me

> that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections. Would

I

> select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX MX7/9 USB.

>

> What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX COM1,camera

> relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini requires a

relay

> box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use the

star2k

> and its relay box?

>

> The main reason for using the MX716 camera as a guider is it is

much

> more sensitive then the MX5 guider that can be used with the SXV-

9C

> camera. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and opinions

with

> this setup.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Chris Appleton

> Toronto



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#8396 Sep 21, 2003

Chris wrote:



> I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera(one shot

> colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate guide camera.

> My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716 under

> the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress mentioned to me

> that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections. Would I

> select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX MX7/9 USB.



Use SXV-H9 for main and SX MX7/9 USB for guider.

> What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX COM1,camera

> relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini requires a relay

> box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use the star2k

> and its relay box?



Select SX COM1 if you are using a Starlight Xpress relay box (the

STAR2000 dongle should work in this mode). If you have established a

link to the Gemini mount in the Telescope Control window, you can select

Telescope instead.



Doug



---------------



Doug George

dgeorge@...



Diffraction Limited

Makers of Cyanogen Imaging Products

www.cyanogen.com



100 Craig Henry Drive, Unit 106,

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K2G 5W3



Phone: (613) 225-2732

Fax: (613) 225-9688



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#8398 Sep 21, 2003

--- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, J.rg Hanisch hanisch.joerg@g...>

wrote: > Hi Chris,

>

> i imaged with exactly this combo (SXV-H9 and MX716 f. guiding) on

> Friday and it worked flawlessly.

>

> In MaxIm you choose the SXV as main camera and star2K MX7/9 as

your > guiding camera.

> I use the com1 and the st4 output of the S2K, so in the guide--

> >settings-tab i choose "control via camera relays"

> And in the setup for the guider i chose com port com1

> and "corrections: ST4"

>

> As you know, i also have the older gemini so i am using the

Losmandy > optocoupler before going to the autoguider-Input of the gemini.

>

> On Friday i used the SXV as main camera, a celestron off-axis-

guider > and the MX716 as guiding camera for taking images with my C9,25"

> @f/5,6 and it worked GREAT!!

>

> Unfortunately, after taking images for about 5 hours and saving

for > about 250MB of data, my Laptop broke down as i tried to get the

data > on my PC...Since then i wasn't able to get it back to life ;((((

>

> Regards,

>

> Joerg



Hi Joerg





Good to hear from you! I am very sorry to hear about the mishap with

your laptop. What happened! was the Laptop out in the cool air? My

observatory when opened gets quite cold in the winter and I have to

rig up some type of heating system this year.



You have the same type of setup as mind, C9.25 SCT (great scope esp

at F5), a G11 with gemini and a MX716 (i do not have the SXV-9 yet).

I was given some good advice to keep the MX716 as a guide camera in

which will be much more sensitive then the MX5 guider. Thank you for

the settings.



What type of filter wheel are you using (looking at a True Tech). I

am debating on a SXV-9 or SXV-9C?



Well thanks again



Take care



Chris Appleton

Toronto >

> --- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" denturist89@s...> wrote:

> > Hi Group,

> >

> > I am currently using my MX716 + Star2k under MaxIm for guiding

and > > imaging. This is okay but, I find this way to be titious (must

> scale

> > every image differently to remove the amp glow and the exposure

is > > doubled). This is really going to be a pain with exposure time

esp > > when I start doing colour through a LPF.

> >

> > I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera(one

> shot

> > colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate guide

> camera.

> > My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716

under > > the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress mentioned

to > me

> > that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections.

Would > I

> > select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX MX7/9

USB. > >

> > What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX COM1,camera

> > relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini requires a

> relay

> > box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use the

> star2k

> > and its relay box?

> >

> > The main reason for using the MX716 camera as a guider is it is

> much

> > more sensitive then the MX5 guider that can be used with the SXV-

> 9C

> > camera. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and opinions

> with

> > this setup.

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> >

> > Chris Appleton

> > Toronto



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#8399 Sep 21, 2003

--- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas B. George" dgeorge@c...>

wrote: > Chris wrote:

>

>

> > I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera(one

shot > > colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate guide

camera. > > My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716

under > > the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress mentioned

to me > > that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections.

Would I > > select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX MX7/9

USB. >

> Use SXV-H9 for main and SX MX7/9 USB for guider.

>

> > What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX COM1,camera

> > relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini requires a

relay > > box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use the

star2k > > and its relay box?

>

> Select SX COM1 if you are using a Starlight Xpress relay box (the

> STAR2000 dongle should work in this mode). If you have

established a > link to the Gemini mount in the Telescope Control window, you can

select > Telescope instead.

>

> Doug

>

---------------

>

> Doug George

> dgeorge@c...

>

> Diffraction Limited

> Makers of Cyanogen Imaging Products

> www.cyanogen.com

>

> 100 Craig Henry Drive, Unit 106,

> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K2G 5W3

>

> Phone: (613) 225-2732

> Fax: (613) 225-9688

>

---------------





Hi Doug,



Thank you for the settings and I will try them all out to see what

works best. I have been reading some recent posts in regards to

MaxIm with the SXV-9 camera and hope by the time I get this camera

the bugs will be worked out for all. I enjoy very much using MaxIm

for image capturing and guiding.



Regards



Chris Appleton

Toronto







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#8401 Sep 21, 2003

Hi Chris,



thanks for your kind words...

>...What happened! was the Laptop out in the cool air?

I don't know...it wasn't very cool on Friday, i think it was about

15.C so not too cold. I had to drive about 30min from the observatory

and get my equipment out of my car which took about additional 20mins.



I talked about the problem with a guy in a computer-shop nearby and

hopefully they'll be getting the data from the hard disk. Keep the

fingers crossed!



Back to the topic: I am using the FR-03 Filter-wheel made by Gerd

Neumann, which is slighly "slimmer" than the True Tech (about 21mm).

But the TrueTech will also work for you.



Considering the SXV-C i can only give my opinion, because of the

troubles i had with the MX7c getting the "right" color. I would go

for the mono-Version. But the decision is up to you...

(You may have a look of alan chens' SXV-C pictures at

www.heavenlyview.com/newh9cimages.htm )



Regards,



Joerg



My > observatory when opened gets quite cold in the winter and I have to

> rig up some type of heating system this year.

>

> You have the same type of setup as mind, C9.25 SCT (great scope esp

> at F5), a G11 with gemini and a MX716 (i do not have the SXV-9

yet). > I was given some good advice to keep the MX716 as a guide camera in

> which will be much more sensitive then the MX5 guider. Thank you

for > the settings.

>

> What type of filter wheel are you using (looking at a True Tech). I

> am debating on a SXV-9 or SXV-9C?

>

> Well thanks again

>

> Take care

>

> Chris Appleton

> Toronto

> >

> > --- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" denturist89@s...> wrote:

> > > Hi Group,

> > >

> > > I am currently using my MX716 + Star2k under MaxIm for guiding

> and

> > > imaging. This is okay but, I find this way to be titious (must

> > scale

> > > every image differently to remove the amp glow and the exposure

> is

> > > doubled). This is really going to be a pain with exposure time

> esp

> > > when I start doing colour through a LPF.

> > >

> > > I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera(one

> > shot

> > > colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate guide

> > camera.

> > > My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716

> under

> > > the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress mentioned

> to

> > me

> > > that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections.

> Would

> > I

> > > select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX MX7/9

> USB.

> > >

> > > What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX

COM1,camera > > > relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini requires a

> > relay

> > > box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use the

> > star2k

> > > and its relay box?

> > >

> > > The main reason for using the MX716 camera as a guider is it is

> > much

> > > more sensitive then the MX5 guider that can be used with the

SXV- > > 9C

> > > camera. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and opinions

> > with

> > > this setup.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance

> > >

> > > Chris Appleton

> > > Toronto



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#8403 Sep 22, 2003

--- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, J.rg Hanisch hanisch.joerg@g...>

wrote: > Hi Chris,

>

> thanks for your kind words...

>

> >...What happened! was the Laptop out in the cool air?

> I don't know...it wasn't very cool on Friday, i think it was about

> 15.C so not too cold. I had to drive about 30min from the

observatory > and get my equipment out of my car which took about additional

20mins. >

> I talked about the problem with a guy in a computer-shop nearby

and > hopefully they'll be getting the data from the hard disk. Keep the

> fingers crossed!

>

> Back to the topic: I am using the FR-03 Filter-wheel made by Gerd

> Neumann, which is slighly "slimmer" than the True Tech (about

21mm). > But the TrueTech will also work for you.

>

> Considering the SXV-C i can only give my opinion, because of the

> troubles i had with the MX7c getting the "right" color. I would go

> for the mono-Version. But the decision is up to you...

> (You may have a look of alan chens' SXV-C pictures at

> www.heavenlyview.com/newh9cimages.htm )

>

> Regards,

>

> Joerg



Hi Joerg



Good luck getting all the data from the hard drive, if you do,

please so us your results. Thank you, I had a look at Alan's work

with his new SXV-9C and the images are excellent with great accurate

colour. The SXV-9C now uses RGB filters in a Bayer matrix. I just

saw the new SXV-M25 one shot maga pixel ccd coming out next spring "

Wow" is all I can say.



Take care



Chris Appleton

Toronto >

> My

> > observatory when opened gets quite cold in the winter and I have

to > > rig up some type of heating system this year.

> >

> > You have the same type of setup as mind, C9.25 SCT (great scope

esp > > at F5), a G11 with gemini and a MX716 (i do not have the SXV-9

> yet).

> > I was given some good advice to keep the MX716 as a guide camera

in > > which will be much more sensitive then the MX5 guider. Thank you

> for

> > the settings.

> >

> > What type of filter wheel are you using (looking at a True

Tech). I > > am debating on a SXV-9 or SXV-9C?

> >

> > Well thanks again

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > Chris Appleton

> > Toronto

> > >

> > > --- In MaxImDL@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" denturist89@s...>

wrote: > > > > Hi Group,

> > > >

> > > > I am currently using my MX716 + Star2k under MaxIm for

guiding > > and

> > > > imaging. This is okay but, I find this way to be titious

(must > > > scale

> > > > every image differently to remove the amp glow and the

exposure > > is

> > > > doubled). This is really going to be a pain with exposure

time > > esp

> > > > when I start doing colour through a LPF.

> > > >

> > > > I am upgrading to colour by possibly buying a SXV-9C camera

(one > > > shot

> > > > colour) and thought about using the MX716 as a seperate

guide > > > camera.

> > > > My questions are, how would I operate the guide camera MX716

> > under

> > > > the control of MaxIm? Terry Platt of Starlightxpress

mentioned > > to

> > > me

> > > > that I can use both the MX716 and SXV-9C as USB connections.

> > Would

> > > I

> > > > select under camera SXV-9C and guider Sar2k MX7/9 or SX

MX7/9 > > USB.

> > > >

> > > > What selection would I select under Control Via ( SX

> COM1,camera

> > > > relays, com1 or telescope)? My G11 with older gemini

requires a > > > relay

> > > > box to protect the electronics, would I still need to use

the > > > star2k

> > > > and its relay box?

> > > >

> > > > The main reason for using the MX716 camera as a guider is it

is > > > much

> > > > more sensitive then the MX5 guider that can be used with the

> SXV-

> > > 9C

> > > > camera. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and

opinions > > > with

> > > > this setup.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance

> > > >

> > > > Chris Appleton

> > > > Toronto







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