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Please slow down .......Re: RS-Wormblock....again


Jun 25, 2007

 


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#33343 Jun 25, 2007

Hi Guys,



May I please ask you to slow down ?



Let me be honest. The way the RS-Wormblock is built right now has its

advantages but also some disadvantages.



It will help you to overcome the endless worm/gear mesh adjusting but

will not cure the nervous PE curve and the size of it itself.



The installation of the RS-Wormblock implies the need to drill and tap

2 holes for 6-32 threads in the side of the base plate



www.rainerehlert.com/astro/worm/RS-Wormblock03.jpg



and that is really not an easy task for somebody who has no skills in

doing this at all.



I have some ideas in my head about a completely new one which would

only imply to loosen and tighten screws. I guess everybody is able to

loosen a screw and tighten it again.



If, yes If I should decide to work on this project again, the procedure

would be that I would first built a prototype and test it. After

testing I would then make some pieces.



I can not say anything about a price but the ideas I have is that the

machining of the parts for the new wormblock will be easier and the

assembly too.



BUT for now please Hold the Horses as I have not yet taken a decision.



There is the member in this group named Joecon who has also already

designed a one piece wormblock and he surely could be interested in the

business too. He has not yet made any comments about his block but I

guess he is surely working on it.



saludos Rainer





>

> Hello

>

>

>

> If Rainer (or someone) needs a firm order for the G11 replacement worm

> block, please add my name on the list.

>

>

>

> Adrien Richardson

>

> Stockholm, Sweden.

>



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#33345 Jun 25, 2007

Actually I've written to Joe off list. His only goal with regard to

all of this is to put his designs up so that anyone can take them to a

machinist and have them done. And he ain't ready till he's ready, and

doesn't want to get into production.



I don't remember the details but Joe has enlisted the off-duty help of

some people who design serious hardware and when I asked him to

comment on other designs, he wasn't up on them. I would say three to

six months.



It is of course true that there is more than one way to skin a cat and

that someone who wanted a floating worm on the G11 could probably have

one in the next month or so by contacting Precise Parts in FL. The

price is in the ball park of what we're talking about here. A number

of talented people have taken a crack at the G11 worm.



And I note they haven't messed with much else. The rest of the mount

is pretty damn good and is probably "best in class" on certain

features: the G11 altitude adjustment blows away the AP900 and the dsc

design is superior. But, all said, the AP900QMD is a better mount (at

much higher cost).



I'm not sure that a complete re-design would make things better,

either. I had a lot of problems with the Titan and ultimately failed

to adapt to it which is why I moved on to an AP900QMD. So I'm just

saying that a newer design won't necessarily solve all problems for

all people. One of the things I really appreciate about the G11 (and

my AP900QMD) is that they are "set it and forget it" with regards to

the worm in all temperatures that I observe at, from -10F to 100F.



I characterize myself as "not gifted" with regard to mechanical issues

but I'm more adventurous than many users. I will crack open the tube

of a c14 and even drill into it and have done so. I have had some

minor odds and ends made at a local machine shop and have a job going

on right now (to get the G11 on to a wood tripod). But I would point

out to people that there are many interconnected elements to design

and that you often don't discover them till you are deep into the

project. I can't comment on this particular issue (redesigning the

G11 worm). But I have rebuilt a couple of simpler items and was

amazed at how one thing led to another.



For people that are comfortable with the many different kinds of

bearings and machining and have some kind of background in all of

that, a retrofit might be a marvelous thing. But I can imagine myself

buying one of these things and getting in over my head. And then the

question is: is what I have done reversible? Can I get back to square

one? Because if I can't, I may have a situation where Scott Losmandy

can no longer help me out because it is no longer really a Losmandy

mount and the person from whom I have bought the after market part

(say I use Joe's plans, didn't buy the part, just had it made) may not

want to play the support role that a manufacturer does.



In addition to Precise Parts I would like to point out that there is a

company called astrometric instruments which has a well established

clientele and a good track record



www.astrometric.com



primarily in the domain of providing an alternative to Gemini. Here

you are talking about ditching the plastic gear boxes and such. How

it affects tracking I can't say but this company has a following.

Right now the amateur market is on hold as he apparently has some

industry contracts. But it's a good outfit.



So all I'm saying here is look into the alternatives and proceed

carefully.



regards

Greg N

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" rsbfoto@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Guys,



> There is the member in this group named Joecon who has also already

> designed a one piece wormblock and he surely could be interested in the

> business too. He has not yet made any comments about his block but I

> guess he is surely working on it.

>

> saludos Rainer

>

>

>

> >

> > Adrien Richardson

> >

> > Stockholm, Sweden.

> >

>







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#33355 Jun 26, 2007

Greg,



I will say it again. Precise Parts will not make the RS Wormblock

anymore. Please don't get everyone's hopes up that Precise Parts can

do this. I have emails from them confirming that they will no longer

make them. Mine was the last one made. Just want everyone to be

clear so they don't waste their time.



Ken







--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "gnowellsct" tim71pos@...>

wrote: >

> Actually I've written to Joe off list. His only goal with regard to

> all of this is to put his designs up so that anyone can take them

to a > machinist and have them done. And he ain't ready till he's ready,

and > doesn't want to get into production.

>

> I don't remember the details but Joe has enlisted the off-duty help

of > some people who design serious hardware and when I asked him to

> comment on other designs, he wasn't up on them. I would say three

to > six months.

>

> It is of course true that there is more than one way to skin a cat

and > that someone who wanted a floating worm on the G11 could probably

have > one in the next month or so by contacting Precise Parts in FL. The

> price is in the ball park of what we're talking about here. A

number > of talented people have taken a crack at the G11 worm.

>

> And I note they haven't messed with much else. The rest of the

mount > is pretty damn good and is probably "best in class" on certain

> features: the G11 altitude adjustment blows away the AP900 and the

dsc > design is superior. But, all said, the AP900QMD is a better mount

(at > much higher cost).

>

> I'm not sure that a complete re-design would make things better,

> either. I had a lot of problems with the Titan and ultimately

failed > to adapt to it which is why I moved on to an AP900QMD. So I'm just

> saying that a newer design won't necessarily solve all problems for

> all people. One of the things I really appreciate about the G11

(and > my AP900QMD) is that they are "set it and forget it" with regards to

> the worm in all temperatures that I observe at, from -10F to 100F.

>

> I characterize myself as "not gifted" with regard to mechanical

issues > but I'm more adventurous than many users. I will crack open the

tube > of a c14 and even drill into it and have done so. I have had some

> minor odds and ends made at a local machine shop and have a job

going > on right now (to get the G11 on to a wood tripod). But I would

point > out to people that there are many interconnected elements to design

> and that you often don't discover them till you are deep into the

> project. I can't comment on this particular issue (redesigning the

> G11 worm). But I have rebuilt a couple of simpler items and was

> amazed at how one thing led to another.

>

> For people that are comfortable with the many different kinds of

> bearings and machining and have some kind of background in all of

> that, a retrofit might be a marvelous thing. But I can imagine

myself > buying one of these things and getting in over my head. And then

the > question is: is what I have done reversible? Can I get back to

square > one? Because if I can't, I may have a situation where Scott

Losmandy > can no longer help me out because it is no longer really a Losmandy

> mount and the person from whom I have bought the after market part

> (say I use Joe's plans, didn't buy the part, just had it made) may

not > want to play the support role that a manufacturer does.

>

> In addition to Precise Parts I would like to point out that there

is a > company called astrometric instruments which has a well established

> clientele and a good track record

>

> www.astrometric.com

>

> primarily in the domain of providing an alternative to Gemini. Here

> you are talking about ditching the plastic gear boxes and such. How

> it affects tracking I can't say but this company has a following.

> Right now the amateur market is on hold as he apparently has some

> industry contracts. But it's a good outfit.

>

> So all I'm saying here is look into the alternatives and proceed

> carefully.

>

> regards

> Greg N

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" rsbfoto@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Guys,

>

> > There is the member in this group named Joecon who has also

already > > designed a one piece wormblock and he surely could be interested

in the > > business too. He has not yet made any comments about his block

but I > > guess he is surely working on it.

> >

> > saludos Rainer

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Adrien Richardson

> > >

> > > Stockholm, Sweden.

> > >

> >

>



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#33361 Jun 26, 2007

Folks,

I will second Ken's statement. Actually Precise Parts will not make

any worm block part. I know because I asked A. Stevens to quote on a

concept and that was his response a couple months ago.

Olivier



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "astrokattner" kattnerk@...>

wrote: >

> Greg,

>

> I will say it again. Precise Parts will not make the RS Wormblock

> anymore. Please don't get everyone's hopes up that Precise Parts can

> do this. I have emails from them confirming that they will no longer

> make them. Mine was the last one made. Just want everyone to be

> clear so they don't waste their time.

>

> Ken

>

>

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "gnowellsct" tim71pos@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Actually I've written to Joe off list. His only goal with regard to

> > all of this is to put his designs up so that anyone can take them

> to a

> > machinist and have them done. And he ain't ready till he's ready,

> and

> > doesn't want to get into production.

> >

> > I don't remember the details but Joe has enlisted the off-duty help

> of

> > some people who design serious hardware and when I asked him to

> > comment on other designs, he wasn't up on them. I would say three

> to

> > six months.

> >

> > It is of course true that there is more than one way to skin a cat

> and

> > that someone who wanted a floating worm on the G11 could probably

> have

> > one in the next month or so by contacting Precise Parts in FL. The

> > price is in the ball park of what we're talking about here. A

> number

> > of talented people have taken a crack at the G11 worm.

> >

> > And I note they haven't messed with much else. The rest of the

> mount

> > is pretty damn good and is probably "best in class" on certain

> > features: the G11 altitude adjustment blows away the AP900 and the

> dsc

> > design is superior. But, all said, the AP900QMD is a better mount

> (at

> > much higher cost).

> >

> > I'm not sure that a complete re-design would make things better,

> > either. I had a lot of problems with the Titan and ultimately

> failed

> > to adapt to it which is why I moved on to an AP900QMD. So I'm just

> > saying that a newer design won't necessarily solve all problems for

> > all people. One of the things I really appreciate about the G11

> (and

> > my AP900QMD) is that they are "set it and forget it" with regards to

> > the worm in all temperatures that I observe at, from -10F to 100F.

> >

> > I characterize myself as "not gifted" with regard to mechanical

> issues

> > but I'm more adventurous than many users. I will crack open the

> tube

> > of a c14 and even drill into it and have done so. I have had some

> > minor odds and ends made at a local machine shop and have a job

> going

> > on right now (to get the G11 on to a wood tripod). But I would

> point

> > out to people that there are many interconnected elements to design

> > and that you often don't discover them till you are deep into the

> > project. I can't comment on this particular issue (redesigning the

> > G11 worm). But I have rebuilt a couple of simpler items and was

> > amazed at how one thing led to another.

> >

> > For people that are comfortable with the many different kinds of

> > bearings and machining and have some kind of background in all of

> > that, a retrofit might be a marvelous thing. But I can imagine

> myself

> > buying one of these things and getting in over my head. And then

> the

> > question is: is what I have done reversible? Can I get back to

> square

> > one? Because if I can't, I may have a situation where Scott

> Losmandy

> > can no longer help me out because it is no longer really a Losmandy

> > mount and the person from whom I have bought the after market part

> > (say I use Joe's plans, didn't buy the part, just had it made) may

> not

> > want to play the support role that a manufacturer does.

> >

> > In addition to Precise Parts I would like to point out that there

> is a

> > company called astrometric instruments which has a well established

> > clientele and a good track record

> >

> > www.astrometric.com

> >

> > primarily in the domain of providing an alternative to Gemini. Here

> > you are talking about ditching the plastic gear boxes and such. How

> > it affects tracking I can't say but this company has a following.

> > Right now the amateur market is on hold as he apparently has some

> > industry contracts. But it's a good outfit.

> >

> > So all I'm saying here is look into the alternatives and proceed

> > carefully.

> >

> > regards

> > Greg N

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" rsbfoto@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Guys,

> >

> > > There is the member in this group named Joecon who has also

> already

> > > designed a one piece wormblock and he surely could be interested

> in the

> > > business too. He has not yet made any comments about his block

> but I

> > > guess he is surely working on it.

> > >

> > > saludos Rainer

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Adrien Richardson

> > > >

> > > > Stockholm, Sweden.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>







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#33362 Jun 26, 2007

From what I've talked with Rainer I am starting to get a very precise idea of what it takes to build one (not RS) but a JC-Wormblock. I've just talked to the guy who will do the machining for me and we're talking prices so I can get it as cheap as possible not compromising quality.







The design is pretty much the same as Rainer's (I've talked to hm off list in order to check out if he was alright with this and he is).







What I really need to know now is the number of people who would place a FIRM order in order to get this going.







Please reply to me off list so I can count and check with the machining guy in order to get the lowest price possible. Suggestions will be welacome.







Regards,







Jose Canela.











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From: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of astrokattner

Sent: ter.a-feira, 26 de Junho de 2007 19:18

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Please slow down .......Re: RS-Wormblock....again







Greg,



I will say it again. Precise Parts will not make the RS Wormblock

anymore. Please don't get everyone's hopes up that Precise Parts can

do this. I have emails from them confirming that they will no longer

make them. Mine was the last one made. Just want everyone to be

clear so they don't waste their time.



Ken



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com mailto:Losmandy_users%40yahoogroups.com> , "gnowellsct" tim71pos@...>

wrote: >

> Actually I've written to Joe off list. His only goal with regard to

> all of this is to put his designs up so that anyone can take them

to a > machinist and have them done. And he ain't ready till he's ready,

and > doesn't want to get into production.

>

> I don't remember the details but Joe has enlisted the off-duty help

of > some people who design serious hardware and when I asked him to

> comment on other designs, he wasn't up on them. I would say three

to > six months.

>

> It is of course true that there is more than one way to skin a cat

and > that someone who wanted a floating worm on the G11 could probably

have > one in the next month or so by contacting Precise Parts in FL. The

> price is in the ball park of what we're talking about here. A

number > of talented people have taken a crack at the G11 worm.

>

> And I note they haven't messed with much else. The rest of the

mount > is pretty damn good and is probably "best in class" on certain

> features: the G11 altitude adjustment blows away the AP900 and the

dsc > design is superior. But, all said, the AP900QMD is a better mount

(at > much higher cost).

>

> I'm not sure that a complete re-design would make things better,

> either. I had a lot of problems with the Titan and ultimately

failed > to adapt to it which is why I moved on to an AP900QMD. So I'm just

> saying that a newer design won't necessarily solve all problems for

> all people. One of the things I really appreciate about the G11

(and > my AP900QMD) is that they are "set it and forget it" with regards to

> the worm in all temperatures that I observe at, from -10F to 100F.

>

> I characterize myself as "not gifted" with regard to mechanical

issues > but I'm more adventurous than many users. I will crack open the

tube > of a c14 and even drill into it and have done so. I have had some

> minor odds and ends made at a local machine shop and have a job

going > on right now (to get the G11 on to a wood tripod). But I would

point > out to people that there are many interconnected elements to design

> and that you often don't discover them till you are deep into the

> project. I can't comment on this particular issue (redesigning the

> G11 worm). But I have rebuilt a couple of simpler items and was

> amazed at how one thing led to another.

>

> For people that are comfortable with the many different kinds of

> bearings and machining and have some kind of background in all of

> that, a retrofit might be a marvelous thing. But I can imagine

myself > buying one of these things and getting in over my head. And then

the > question is: is what I have done reversible? Can I get back to

square > one? Because if I can't, I may have a situation where Scott

Losmandy > can no longer help me out because it is no longer really a Losmandy

> mount and the person from whom I have bought the after market part

> (say I use Joe's plans, didn't buy the part, just had it made) may

not > want to play the support role that a manufacturer does.

>

> In addition to Precise Parts I would like to point out that there

is a > company called astrometric instruments which has a well established

> clientele and a good track record

>

> www.astrometric.com

>

> primarily in the domain of providing an alternative to Gemini. Here

> you are talking about ditching the plastic gear boxes and such. How

> it affects tracking I can't say but this company has a following.

> Right now the amateur market is on hold as he apparently has some

> industry contracts. But it's a good outfit.

>

> So all I'm saying here is look into the alternatives and proceed

> carefully.

>

> regards

> Greg N

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com mailto:Losmandy_users%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rainer" rsbfoto@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Guys,

>

> > There is the member in this group named Joecon who has also

already > > designed a one piece wormblock and he surely could be interested

in the > > business too. He has not yet made any comments about his block

but I > > guess he is surely working on it.

> >

> > saludos Rainer

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Adrien Richardson

> > >

> > > Stockholm, Sweden.

> > >

> >

>











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#33363 Jun 26, 2007

My mistake. Apparently I am out-of-date on this issue. You'd think

they'd be interested in making a few more given the interest expressed

here.



regards greg N

> >

> > And I note they haven't messed with much else. The rest of the

> mount

> > is pretty damn good and is probably "best in class" on certain

> > features: the G11 altitude adjustment blows away the AP900 and the

> dsc



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