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Re: Please help me decide


Apr 9, 2004

 


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#19897 Apr 9, 2004

I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to ask you

which of these four mounts you recommend and why?



Losmandy Titan

William Optics GT-ONE

Astro-Physics 1200GTO

Paramount ME



Your thoughts will be much appreciated.



Juan Flores



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#19898 Apr 9, 2004

I don't know if any of thes are bad choices though perhaps the WO

isn't quite as well reputed as the others. The Paramount ME is not

as portable as the AP or Losmandy Titan. For a permanent pier

mount, however, it is "the cat's meow." Possibly you could put the

ME on a Monolith pier (which would add $2k more to the cost) and get

reasonable portability.



regards

Greg N



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Flores"

juanbflores@h...> wrote: > I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to ask you

> which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

>

> Losmandy Titan

> William Optics GT-ONE

> Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> Paramount ME

>

> Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

>

> Juan Flores



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#19900 Apr 10, 2004

I would ask the following:

1 Are you permanet or are you expecting to move around a lot?



2. Is Cost the driving facotr?



3. How much you putting on?



If the answers are not going to move very often and cost is important and

load carrying isnot that much then perhaps a Titan



If the answers are mover very often cost not important and need to carry

huge load, then the AP1200



If the answer is not moving very often, cost not important , large load but

not huge (OVER 125 POUNDS), a Paramount ME is hard to beat.



I really can't commet on the GT-one since I don't know much about it. But

the other 3 I have seen and had oppourtunity to use. I woul rank them as

AP1200 and Paramount ME pretty much a tie (although if I was Permanetly

installed the ME would get the nod). the Titan is still new but has

potential. The lesser price does come with some drawbacks. It is less

capable of holding heavier instruments and it's GOTO system is an add on kit

that leaves plenty of wires and motors exposed for potential damage. The

AP1200 can run stand alone while the Paramount ME requires a laptop and some

software.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Juan Flores" juanbflores@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:34 PM

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Please help me decide





> I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to ask you

> which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

>

> Losmandy Titan

> William Optics GT-ONE

> Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> Paramount ME

>

> Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

>

> Juan Flores

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>



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#19905 Apr 10, 2004

Your answer is very enlightening.



I am looking for good unguided tracking capacity, minimum possible

periodic error and no backlash. This is for high quality imaging

purposes. I will not need more than 100 lbs payload capacity. The

mount will be installed on a permanent pier. I am not willing to

spend more than 12k.



Which one would be the best choice?



Thank you.



Juan Flores







--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Uyematsu"

roystarman@c...> wrote: > I would ask the following:

> 1 Are you permanet or are you expecting to move around a lot?

>

> 2. Is Cost the driving facotr?

>

> 3. How much you putting on?

>

> If the answers are not going to move very often and cost is

important and > load carrying isnot that much then perhaps a Titan

>

> If the answers are mover very often cost not important and need to

carry > huge load, then the AP1200

>

> If the answer is not moving very often, cost not important , large

load but > not huge (OVER 125 POUNDS), a Paramount ME is hard to beat.

>

> I really can't commet on the GT-one since I don't know much about

it. But > the other 3 I have seen and had oppourtunity to use. I woul rank

them as > AP1200 and Paramount ME pretty much a tie (although if I was

Permanetly > installed the ME would get the nod). the Titan is still new but has

> potential. The lesser price does come with some drawbacks. It is

less > capable of holding heavier instruments and it's GOTO system is an

add on kit > that leaves plenty of wires and motors exposed for potential

damage. The > AP1200 can run stand alone while the Paramount ME requires a

laptop and some > software.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Juan Flores" juanbflores@h...>

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:34 PM

> Subject: [Losmandy_users] Please help me decide

>

>

> > I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to ask you

> > which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

> >

> > Losmandy Titan

> > William Optics GT-ONE

> > Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> > Paramount ME

> >

> > Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

> >

> > Juan Flores

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >







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#19906 Apr 10, 2004

The other thing to keep in mind is that the ME is primarily a

Robotic mount...I do not beleive it supports local handpaddle

control and requires an externally connected laptop. This is

significant particularly if you intend to do a lot of visual

observing and have folks over to do star parties, ect..which is why

I opted for the Titan and the relative convenience of the affiliated

Gemini III handpaddle (though I also employ it on a portable pier

config with my 16" and 14" SCT's) . The Gemini system also supports

remote robotic operations.



R/Scott Schneewies



URL://www.SPACEAHOLIC.com/







--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Flores"

juanbflores@h...> wrote: > Thank you for your answer Gregg.

>

> I will be using the mount on a permanent pier. I guess this points

> to the ME.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Juan

>

>

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "gnowellsct"

tim71pos@h...> > wrote:

> > I don't know if any of thes are bad choices though perhaps the

WO > > isn't quite as well reputed as the others. The Paramount ME is

> not

> > as portable as the AP or Losmandy Titan. For a permanent pier

> > mount, however, it is "the cat's meow." Possibly you could put

> the

> > ME on a Monolith pier (which would add $2k more to the cost) and

> get

> > reasonable portability.

> >

> > regards

> > Greg N

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Flores"

> > juanbflores@h...> wrote:

> > > I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to ask

> you

> > > which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

> > >

> > > Losmandy Titan

> > > William Optics GT-ONE

> > > Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> > > Paramount ME

> > >

> > > Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

> > >

> > > Juan Flores



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#19910 Apr 10, 2004

Hi Juan,



I didn't see this, where you specify up to 100 lbs payload. I had been

pointing you at the Mountain Instruments MI-250, but that has a spec'd

payload of 65-70 lbs. If you need the extra payload, look into the Mathis

instruments product (accessible from the Mtn Inst home page at

www.mountaininstruments.com).



One nice aspect of the MI-250, aside from it's excellence, is that the ship

time is currently about 90 days. Not bad when compared to some of the

others.



Good luck with your acquisition, whatever you decide upon!



Gary





> -----Original Message-----

> From: Juan Flores [mailto:juanbflores@...]

> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:55 AM

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide

>

>

>

> Your answer is very enlightening.

>

> I am looking for good unguided tracking capacity, minimum possible

> periodic error and no backlash. This is for high quality imaging

> purposes. I will not need more than 100 lbs payload capacity. The

> mount will be installed on a permanent pier. I am not willing to

> spend more than 12k.

>

> Which one would be the best choice?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Juan Flores

>

>

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Uyematsu"

> roystarman@c...> wrote:

> > I would ask the following:

> > 1 Are you permanet or are you expecting to move around a lot?

> >

> > 2. Is Cost the driving facotr?

> >

> > 3. How much you putting on?

> >

> > If the answers are not going to move very often and cost is

> important and

> > load carrying isnot that much then perhaps a Titan

> >

> > If the answers are mover very often cost not important and need to

> carry

> > huge load, then the AP1200

> >

> > If the answer is not moving very often, cost not important , large

> load but

> > not huge (OVER 125 POUNDS), a Paramount ME is hard to beat.

> >

> > I really can't commet on the GT-one since I don't know much about

> it. But

> > the other 3 I have seen and had oppourtunity to use. I woul rank

> them as

> > AP1200 and Paramount ME pretty much a tie (although if I was

> Permanetly

> > installed the ME would get the nod). the Titan is still new but has

> > potential. The lesser price does come with some drawbacks. It is

> less

> > capable of holding heavier instruments and it's GOTO system is an

> add on kit

> > that leaves plenty of wires and motors exposed for potential

> damage. The

> > AP1200 can run stand alone while the Paramount ME requires a

> laptop and some

> > software.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Juan Flores" juanbflores@h...>

> > To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:34 PM

> > Subject: [Losmandy_users] Please help me decide

> >

> >

> > > I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to ask you

> > > which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

> > >

> > > Losmandy Titan

> > > William Optics GT-ONE

> > > Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> > > Paramount ME

> > >

> > > Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

> > >

> > > Juan Flores

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yahoo! Groups Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>







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#19911 Apr 10, 2004

Hi Gary,



Thank you for you answers.



I visited their website but could not find some relevant information

I need in order to consider this mount: What is its PE? How does it

handle backlash? What is its pointing accuracy? And most

importantly, what is its tracking accuracy?



If you have this information I would appreciate it if you share it

with me.



Regards.



Juan Flores





--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Ferdinand"

alaparos@b...> wrote: > Hi Juan,

>

> I didn't see this, where you specify up to 100 lbs payload. I had

been > pointing you at the Mountain Instruments MI-250, but that has a

spec'd > payload of 65-70 lbs. If you need the extra payload, look into

the Mathis > instruments product (accessible from the Mtn Inst home page at

> www.mountaininstruments.com).

>

> One nice aspect of the MI-250, aside from it's excellence, is that

the ship > time is currently about 90 days. Not bad when compared to some of

the > others.

>

> Good luck with your acquisition, whatever you decide upon!

>

> Gary

>

>

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Juan Flores [mailto:juanbflores@h...]

> > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:55 AM

> > To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide

> >

> >

> >

> > Your answer is very enlightening.

> >

> > I am looking for good unguided tracking capacity, minimum

possible > > periodic error and no backlash. This is for high quality imaging

> > purposes. I will not need more than 100 lbs payload capacity. The

> > mount will be installed on a permanent pier. I am not willing to

> > spend more than 12k.

> >

> > Which one would be the best choice?

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Juan Flores

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Uyematsu"

> > roystarman@c...> wrote:

> > > I would ask the following:

> > > 1 Are you permanet or are you expecting to move around a lot?

> > >

> > > 2. Is Cost the driving facotr?

> > >

> > > 3. How much you putting on?

> > >

> > > If the answers are not going to move very often and cost is

> > important and

> > > load carrying isnot that much then perhaps a Titan

> > >

> > > If the answers are mover very often cost not important and

need to > > carry

> > > huge load, then the AP1200

> > >

> > > If the answer is not moving very often, cost not important ,

large > > load but

> > > not huge (OVER 125 POUNDS), a Paramount ME is hard to beat.

> > >

> > > I really can't commet on the GT-one since I don't know much

about > > it. But

> > > the other 3 I have seen and had oppourtunity to use. I woul

rank > > them as

> > > AP1200 and Paramount ME pretty much a tie (although if I was

> > Permanetly

> > > installed the ME would get the nod). the Titan is still new

but has > > > potential. The lesser price does come with some drawbacks. It

is > > less

> > > capable of holding heavier instruments and it's GOTO system is

an > > add on kit

> > > that leaves plenty of wires and motors exposed for potential

> > damage. The

> > > AP1200 can run stand alone while the Paramount ME requires a

> > laptop and some

> > > software.

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: "Juan Flores" juanbflores@h...>

> > > To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:34 PM

> > > Subject: [Losmandy_users] Please help me decide

> > >

> > >

> > > > I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to

ask you > > > > which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

> > > >

> > > > Losmandy Titan

> > > > William Optics GT-ONE

> > > > Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> > > > Paramount ME

> > > >

> > > > Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Juan Flores

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >



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#19912 Apr 10, 2004

Hi Scott,



I agree with you. The Titan is a better choice for visual observing

and star parties. In my case I want this mount to install it on a

permanent pier. I have the GM-8 for star parties, but I confess I

like the Titan so much I might sell the GM-8 and get a Titan for the

star parties.



Kind regards.



Juan Flores





--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schneeweis"

spaceflight@m...> wrote: > The other thing to keep in mind is that the ME is primarily a

> Robotic mount...I do not beleive it supports local handpaddle

> control and requires an externally connected laptop. This is

> significant particularly if you intend to do a lot of visual

> observing and have folks over to do star parties, ect..which is

why > I opted for the Titan and the relative convenience of the

affiliated > Gemini III handpaddle (though I also employ it on a portable pier

> config with my 16" and 14" SCT's) . The Gemini system also

supports > remote robotic operations.

>

> R/Scott Schneewies

>

> URL://www.SPACEAHOLIC.com/

>

>

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Flores"

> juanbflores@h...> wrote:

> > Thank you for your answer Gregg.

> >

> > I will be using the mount on a permanent pier. I guess this

points > > to the ME.

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> > Juan

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "gnowellsct"

> tim71pos@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > I don't know if any of thes are bad choices though perhaps the

> WO

> > > isn't quite as well reputed as the others. The Paramount ME

is > > not

> > > as portable as the AP or Losmandy Titan. For a permanent pier

> > > mount, however, it is "the cat's meow." Possibly you could

put > > the

> > > ME on a Monolith pier (which would add $2k more to the cost)

and > > get

> > > reasonable portability.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Greg N

> > >

> > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Flores"

> > > juanbflores@h...> wrote:

> > > > I am about to buy the best mount I can find and wanted to

ask > > you

> > > > which of these four mounts you recommend and why?

> > > >

> > > > Losmandy Titan

> > > > William Optics GT-ONE

> > > > Astro-Physics 1200GTO

> > > > Paramount ME

> > > >

> > > > Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Juan Flores







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#29102 Mar 12, 2006

I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.



All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

SLR) and need something I can trust.



As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.



1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?

2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?

3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

be done to the mount.

4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?



Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!



Jeff.



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#29103 Mar 12, 2006

Hi Jeff,

>

> I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

> I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.

>

> All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

> SLR) and need something I can trust.



Well as far as I have read every mount works out of the box. It

depends on what you expect when you say " out of the box "



When I got my Losmandy G11, by the way the very first mount in my

life and I had never done any astronomie before, I set it up,

connected it, watched how that monster moved and began to image. With

the time I learned more and more anout my mount and then began to

maybe improve or not with some changes I made.

> As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

> you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

>

> 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?



Not more and not less then with any other mounts, I would dare to say

> 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?



Yes and No. Just a question if a sane worm/gear mesh adjustment

> 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

> be done to the mount.



No not initial modifications. After you got a certain experience and

you got to know the mount maybe yes or no

> 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?



That depends on what you want to spend later on. If you buy it now

with GoTo the you save about US 500,00 what the retrofit costs later



As you are imaging yes I would buy the Gemoni GoTO from the beginning.

> Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!

>

> Jeff.

>



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#29104 Mar 12, 2006

Jeff:



I live in suburban Chicago and have had my G11 work flawlessly at

temperatures of 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Having had previous experience

with the Meade LX200 series, I can say that while the Losmandy is not

quite as user friendly, it takes only a day or two to get familiar

with the basics. It is quite accurate at tracking. Many of the people

on this site have "tweaked" their mounts to extraordinary tracking

ability by adjusting the worms, etc. I have not found this necessary

myself, but it is good to know that the mount is capable of fine

adjustment, should you wish to spend the time. I also use a digital

SLR for imaging and have been more than satisfied with the G11 Gemini.



Motor stalls are usually an indication of voltage or balancing

problems. I have a Meade 12" SCT on my mount which is just about the

biggest scope the mount will carry. I have had no motor problems at all.



I would certainly purchase the Gemini go-to system with the mount to

save the $500 upgrade cost. You will get servo motors rather than

stepper motors and that gives slightly smoother tracking, especially

at high powers.



Regards,



Frank K.

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Bennett" jeffb@...> wrote:

>

> I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

> I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.

>

> All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

> SLR) and need something I can trust.

>

> As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

> you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

>

> 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?

> 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?

> 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

> be done to the mount.

> 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?

>

> Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!

>

> Jeff.

>







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#29105 Mar 12, 2006

I think go-to is one of the most finicky options available in

amateur astronomy. I had to send my Titan mount back to Losmandy

for upgrades related to making it work in cold weather.



Much depends on the operational term "cold." I was having issues at

10F, and will observe into the sub zero range, but will pack it in

once it gets closer to -10F. Antarctic staff statistics show that

the probability of frost bite takes a huge leap (over 90%) once

temps go below -20F and I'm in this as a hobby, hot a job, so I

won't let it get close to -20F.



I think there are people here who have successfully operated the

G11/Gemini in very cold temps but you will definitely want to be

familiar with the worm adjustment process on the mount. You'll want

to run "looser" (with more backlash) than in a stepper motor

system. Gemini should compensate for that in pointing issues, but

for imaging with a "loose worm" you'll want to have the mount

unbalanced (a bit) so that you're tracking on the "same side of the

worm."



On the other hand you can get pretty good pointing accuarcy with

argo navis dscs--maybe as good as gemini with Argo Navis's new TPAS

system--and you will never ever have a stall, ever. But it will be

push-to not go-to. Gemini is easier to set up, however, in terms of

number of wires and hassle.



A more robust (and more expensive) alternative to the Gemini system

is the Skywalker (astrometrics in MA) which uses belt driven servo

motors instead of gears. Chris Houghton lives in MA and when he

wants to test his stuff in the cold he sets up in the winter and

uses it. Losmandy is in Southern CA and has to drop stuff into a

freezer.



So the options are:



1. dscs (10,000 tic) with Argo Navis - send an email to Gary Kopf

at Wildcard innovations. Make sure you get the hard motor covers

for your steppers and delrin covers for the gears on your dscs.



2. Gemini. Probably one of the most effective go-to systems out

there, big user base, many people happy, goes MUCH colder than CGE

(I was told CGE rates to 35 degrees F, but maybe that information is

dated) but not 99%--otherwise there wouldn't be a customer base for

Astrometrics, which counts Losmandy mount owners for a substantial

chunk of its customer base. But remember that Gemini/Losmandy has a

very large customer base that is worldwide. That attests to the

fact taht it is one of the best systems out there. And remember

that Gemini was adopted for use by Mountain Instruments and

Parallax. That means a lot of smart people have looked this system

over and given it a big thumbs up.



3. Astrometrics. Since you can sell your Gemini unit used, and you

get a discount in buying it with the mount, you could probably take

the gemini motors, gear boxers, and controller off your mount and

sell them for about $1,000, and use the proceeds to get a skywalker.



But the deeper answer to your question is that using this equipment

out of the box in extreme cold, which I define as well below 20F and

even below zero F, is pushing the equipment and yourself to do

something that not many people do. So you have to be prepared for

the fact that this is difficult in two ways, first you have to

master the equipment, and then you have to learn how to make the

equipment work in the cold.



I can do that with a G11/steppers but didn't get too far with the

Titan/Gemini, and the jury is still out.



You also have to bear in mind that when you call up Astrometrics you

get....Chris Houghton. When you call up Losmandy you have a 50%

chance of getting...Scott Losmandy. You don't get the Ford family

when you ring up Ford. This is artisanal production, not mass

production, and not only are there production variances between

units and how they are adjusted before shipping, the resources are

not there for all weather testing of all equipment designs.

Celestron and Meade don't do it either, nearly as I can tell. The

resources aren't there.



So in the world of astronomy you have to adjust your mind set to the

fact taht your washing machine is in some ways produced to a more

reliable production standard than your astronomy equipment. You can

pull your washing machine out of the box and hook it up and use it,

but your astronomy equipment requires user training and mastery and

may also require modifications. These modifications can be self-

installed wires, fuses etc. (as you found out for your EQ),

switching to another after market system, or switching to a

different mount.



As you go up in price the problems become more resolvable but they

don't entirely disappear, except perhaps with the Paramount ME.

Even so, there are ex-ME owners on the Titan group, and ex-Titan

owners on the ME group. At the bottom end of the spectrum there are

often problems that really can't be resolved without re-machining

the mount or re-designing and re-machining. With the G11 you've got

a fundamentally good piece of machining and are definitely launched

on the low end of the high end in mount performance (low end of the

high end is a good place to be in terms of cost effeiciency) and if

it doesn't work out you'll have a number of options. The mount wil

retain very good resale value, the gemini system can be swapped out,

etc.



And the things you need to learn, like how the worm gear works, are

things you need to learn for most other mounts.



So all told the G11 with or without Gemini is a very good way to

go. And who knows, perhaps it may work for you right out of the box

(my non-gemini G11 required a backlahs adjustment in the worm to

reduce excessive play). On the whole, plan on taking some time to

get acquainted with your mount.



regards

Greg N











--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" rsbfoto@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jeff,

>

> >

> > I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> > losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO

mount.

> > I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> > supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> > increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits

end.

> >

> > All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> > continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with

digital

> > SLR) and need something I can trust.

>

> Well as far as I have read every mount works out of the box. It

> depends on what you expect when you say " out of the box "

>

> When I got my Losmandy G11, by the way the very first mount in my

> life and I had never done any astronomie before, I set it up,

> connected it, watched how that monster moved and began to image.

With

> the time I learned more and more anout my mount and then began to

> maybe improve or not with some changes I made.

>

> > As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto)

could

> > you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

> >

> > 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?

>

> Not more and not less then with any other mounts, I would dare to

say

>

> > 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?

>

> Yes and No. Just a question if a sane worm/gear mesh adjustment

>

> > 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need

to

> > be done to the mount.

>

> No not initial modifications. After you got a certain experience

and

> you got to know the mount maybe yes or no

>

> > 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?

>

> That depends on what you want to spend later on. If you buy it now

> with GoTo the you save about US 500,00 what the retrofit costs

later

>

> As you are imaging yes I would buy the Gemoni GoTO from the

beginning.

>

> > Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!

> >

> > Jeff.

> >

>







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#29106 Mar 12, 2006

GOTO (IMHO) is indispensable if you plan on imaging. It saves tons of time.



As far as what mount to get, you should get the very best mount you can afford. If you

can afford the AP, or Paramount, go get one. I can tell you that I don't regret my choice

at all (G-11/Gemini), and they have both been malfunction-free in the 30 months I've had

them.



Alan



--- Rainer rsbfoto@...> wrote: > > I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> > losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

> > I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> > supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> > increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.

> >

> > All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> > continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

> > SLR) and need something I can trust.

>

> Well as far as I have read every mount works out of the box. It

> depends on what you expect when you say " out of the box "

>

> When I got my Losmandy G11, by the way the very first mount in my

> life and I had never done any astronomie before, I set it up,

> connected it, watched how that monster moved and began to image. With

> the time I learned more and more anout my mount and then began to

> maybe improve or not with some changes I made.

>

> > As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

> > you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

> >

> > 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?

>

> Not more and not less then with any other mounts, I would dare to say

>

> > 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?

>

> Yes and No. Just a question if a sane worm/gear mesh adjustment

>

> > 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

> > be done to the mount.

>

> No not initial modifications. After you got a certain experience and

> you got to know the mount maybe yes or no

>

> > 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?

>

> That depends on what you want to spend later on. If you buy it now

> with GoTo the you save about US 500,00 what the retrofit costs later

>

> As you are imaging yes I would buy the Gemoni GoTO from the beginning.

>

> > Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!







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#29108 Mar 12, 2006

I'd agree with what Rainer said. I monitored the CGE and G11 groups for

about a week or two and looked very carefully at both mounts. These are the

only 2 mounts I found affordable and up to my standards. Does Losmandy offer

a better mount, probably. I don't think either offers anything that 's

overwhelmingly superior, although the Celestron offers some nice software

features like self training PEC.



What I know is that a good number of astrophotographers prefer this mount.

So It's coming to my door on Friday! :)



I found one in stock at Astronomics. I think I got really lucky!



Tom P.



-----Original Message-----

From: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Rainer

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:21 PM

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide





Hi Jeff,

>

> I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

> I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.

>

> All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

> SLR) and need something I can trust.



Well as far as I have read every mount works out of the box. It

depends on what you expect when you say " out of the box "



When I got my Losmandy G11, by the way the very first mount in my

life and I had never done any astronomie before, I set it up,

connected it, watched how that monster moved and began to image. With

the time I learned more and more anout my mount and then began to

maybe improve or not with some changes I made.

> As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

> you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

>

> 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?



Not more and not less then with any other mounts, I would dare to say

> 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?



Yes and No. Just a question if a sane worm/gear mesh adjustment

> 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

> be done to the mount.



No not initial modifications. After you got a certain experience and

you got to know the mount maybe yes or no

> 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?



That depends on what you want to spend later on. If you buy it now

with GoTo the you save about US 500,00 what the retrofit costs later



As you are imaging yes I would buy the Gemoni GoTO from the beginning.

> Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!

>

> Jeff.

>

















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#29115 Mar 13, 2006

Jeff,



I can completely understand where you are coming from. I've had both

Takahashi and Losmandy mounts as well as various Meade mounts (LX and

RCX). I've had trouble with all of them at some point or another. My

G11 stalls occasionally. I think this is just something you have to

live with. If you want goto, I'd get it up front. It's cheaper and you

won't have to install it. I think that hair pulling is just a part of

this hobby, particularly if you get into imaging.



Michael Coelho



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Bennett" jeffb@...>

wrote: >

> I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

> I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.

>

> All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

> SLR) and need something I can trust.

>

> As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

> you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

>

> 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?

> 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?

> 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

> be done to the mount.

> 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?

>

> Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!

>

> Jeff.

>



----------------------------

#29117 Mar 13, 2006

Hi Jeff,

I've read your email and I completele understand what you mean. I also

know, due to my previous chinese experience how difficult could be

doing astronomy in the wrong way... so, at the moment, forget your

cheap - chinese equipment and point toward a serious setup: you'll

love astronomy with no regret, believe.



First of all, if you're involved in imaging, you really need a first

class or so mount - don't choose a cheap one or you'll be in trouble.

The G11 is a pretty good mount, the best in its price range IMHo but

not the "out of the box ready" mount for seriuos imaging - it still

needs some improvements, but they are minimal and really doable.



So, let's go to your questions...

1) Yes and not - there're a lot of stories and also I was in the

"jumping" trouble for a while... but after a regreasing and gear to

worm mesh adjusting I was ready for serious imaging and now I'm pretty

happy with the performances of my mount.

By the way, for pushing it to the limit with longer focal lenghts, an

external help would be really appreciated - I've choosen with no

regret the adaptive optics unit from SBIG, AO7.

2) I've never experienced it, neither with the stepper or the servos.

3) The regreasing and coupling, in the worst case. Nothing in the

better ;-)

4) I've started with steppers and I've done a lot of imaging with it -

both at 1500 and at 2350 mm focal lenght, with great results.

But for increasing imaging quality and troughtput, I've choosen the

Gemini GoTo add-on two years later, or so. Now I'm very very happy

with it - the Gemini is a outstanding unit with unbeliavable

performances even in a semi-permanent setup, like mine.



So, forget yor bad previous experiences and point toward the light...

go for a serious mount and you'll live happy ;-)



Best reg's, Stefano

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Bennett" jeffb@...> wrote:

>

> I have had an awful experierce with a mount purchase (not a

> losmandy). I tried to save some $ and picked up an EQ6 PRO mount.

> I have had cold weather stalls, and after upgrading the power

> supply, regreasing, adjusting the mesh and now being told to

> increase the diameter of the supplied power cord I am at whits end.

>

> All I want is a mount that will work out of the box. I want to

> continue with my astrophotography (autoguided and shot with digital

> SLR) and need something I can trust.

>

> As I am about to dump the EQ6 and leap at the G11 (with goto) could

> you please answer me these 4 questions and be truthfull.

>

> 1) Are there any troubles with the G11 mount?

> 2) does the mount experience cold weather stalls?

> 3) Are there any initial modifications or adjustments that need to

> be done to the mount.

> 4) Is it worth starting with the non goto and upgrading later?

>

> Thanks, I don't want to pull out any more hair!

>

> Jeff.

>



----------------------------

#29124 Mar 13, 2006

>>>> "wrm" == William R Mattil wrmattil@...> writes:



wrm> When you find the perfect mount that works out of the box let

wrm> the rest of us know what kind it is. Most serious

wrm> astrophotographers have had to tinker with the mount to get the

wrm> best preformance from it. We consider this to be a "right of

wrm> passage" laughs> I've known people that had trouble right from

wrm> the start with mounts approaching $10.000.00 in price.



Heh, heh. I have an MI-250 *non*-GOTO that I'm pretty happy with and

I've never had had to tinker with it a bit.



Of course, I still like my GM-8 and it serves a different purpose. No

one will *ever* call an MI-250 a "grab and go" mount. In a gale, it

might be a "grab and hang on" :-)



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#29131 Mar 13, 2006

I agree. The 250 is a great mount. I like my GT1HD too. It's not grab and go

either but it's not far from it. But I have to sell it for the Losmandy G11.

And to be truthful, I didn't have to tinker with it too much either.



Tom P.



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On Behalf Of Roland Roberts

Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:50 PM

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide



>>>>> "wrm" == William R Mattil wrmattil@...> writes:



wrm> When you find the perfect mount that works out of the box let

wrm> the rest of us know what kind it is. Most serious

wrm> astrophotographers have had to tinker with the mount to get the

wrm> best preformance from it. We consider this to be a "right of

wrm> passage" laughs> I've known people that had trouble right from

wrm> the start with mounts approaching $10.000.00 in price.



Heh, heh. I have an MI-250 *non*-GOTO that I'm pretty happy with and

I've never had had to tinker with it a bit.



Of course, I still like my GM-8 and it serves a different purpose. No

one will *ever* call an MI-250 a "grab and go" mount. In a gale, it

might be a "grab and hang on" :-)



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#29138 Mar 13, 2006

The third bearing was a very common after market modification five

years ago when people were looking for ways to improve the PE. The

introduction of the new worm gear has caused this modification to

disappear from much discussion.



Some of us old timers (if vintage 2000 is old timer on a mount that

dates back to 1990) however, happen to have the third bearings in

both axes. Your friendly group moderator can assure you it isn't a

tale at all. It certainly hasn't hurt, and may in fact have

improved, the stability of the G11 with the C14. We'll never know

because it was an "easy mod" I implemented while waiting six months

for my C14 to arrive. I had the time, it was cloudy all the time,

and someone sold me a set of bearings....



The other common modification, still done in some cases, is

replacing the worm bearings with an upgrade. And there is a more

radical aftermarket modification which involves replacing the worm

assembly with a spring loaded after market part. That eliminates

concerns about spacing the worm gear because the worm just travels

up and down over the mount's irregularities.



regards

Greg N



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "William R. Mattil"

wrmattil@...> wrote:

> No. But that won't prevent people from telling you all kinds of

tales > about a "third bearing" and other kinds of stuff.



----------------------------

#29166 Mar 14, 2006

Thomas,



You are selling your GT1HD to but the G11?



Michael Coelho



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Picciani" tpicciani@.

..> wrote: >

> I agree. The 250 is a great mount. I like my GT1HD too. It's not

grab and go > either but it's not far from it. But I have to sell it for the

Losmandy G11. > And to be truthful, I didn't have to tinker with it too much either.

>

> Tom P.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:

Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Roland Roberts

> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:50 PM

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide

>

>

> >>>>> "wrm" == William R Mattil wrmattil@...> writes:

>

> wrm> When you find the perfect mount that works out of the box

let > wrm> the rest of us know what kind it is. Most serious

> wrm> astrophotographers have had to tinker with the mount to get

the > wrm> best preformance from it. We consider this to be a "right

of > wrm> passage" laughs> I've known people that had trouble right

from > wrm> the start with mounts approaching $10.000.00 in price.

>

> Heh, heh. I have an MI-250 *non*-GOTO that I'm pretty happy with

and > I've never had had to tinker with it a bit.

>

> Of course, I still like my GM-8 and it serves a different purpose.

No > one will *ever* call an MI-250 a "grab and go" mount. In a gale, it

> might be a "grab and hang on" :-)

>

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#29168 Mar 14, 2006

Where is this aftermarket part available from?



Michael Coelho





--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "gnowellsct" tim71pos@...>

wrote: >

> The third bearing was a very common after market modification five

> years ago when people were looking for ways to improve the PE. The

> introduction of the new worm gear has caused this modification to

> disappear from much discussion.

>

> Some of us old timers (if vintage 2000 is old timer on a mount that

> dates back to 1990) however, happen to have the third bearings in

> both axes. Your friendly group moderator can assure you it isn't a

> tale at all. It certainly hasn't hurt, and may in fact have

> improved, the stability of the G11 with the C14. We'll never know

> because it was an "easy mod" I implemented while waiting six months

> for my C14 to arrive. I had the time, it was cloudy all the time,

> and someone sold me a set of bearings....

>

> The other common modification, still done in some cases, is

> replacing the worm bearings with an upgrade. And there is a more

> radical aftermarket modification which involves replacing the worm

> assembly with a spring loaded after market part. That eliminates

> concerns about spacing the worm gear because the worm just travels

> up and down over the mount's irregularities.

>

> regards

> Greg N

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "William R. Mattil"

> wrmattil@> wrote:

>

> > No. But that won't prevent people from telling you all kinds of

> tales

> > about a "third bearing" and other kinds of stuff.

>



----------------------------

#29170 Mar 14, 2006

Yes.



-----Original Message-----

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On Behalf Of Michael Coelho

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:49 PM

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide





Thomas,



You are selling your GT1HD to but the G11?



Michael Coelho



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Picciani" tpicciani@.

..> wrote: >

> I agree. The 250 is a great mount. I like my GT1HD too. It's not

grab and go > either but it's not far from it. But I have to sell it for the

Losmandy G11. > And to be truthful, I didn't have to tinker with it too much either.

>

> Tom P.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:

Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Roland Roberts

> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:50 PM

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide

>

>

> >>>>> "wrm" == William R Mattil wrmattil@...> writes:

>

> wrm> When you find the perfect mount that works out of the box

let > wrm> the rest of us know what kind it is. Most serious

> wrm> astrophotographers have had to tinker with the mount to get

the > wrm> best preformance from it. We consider this to be a "right

of > wrm> passage" laughs> I've known people that had trouble right

from > wrm> the start with mounts approaching $10.000.00 in price.

>

> Heh, heh. I have an MI-250 *non*-GOTO that I'm pretty happy with

and > I've never had had to tinker with it a bit.

>

> Of course, I still like my GM-8 and it serves a different purpose.

No > one will *ever* call an MI-250 a "grab and go" mount. In a gale, it

> might be a "grab and hang on" :-)

>

> roland

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#29172 Mar 14, 2006

Michael,



Potentially, since the mount is no longer made, things such as motors,

broken parts, etc. might become difficult to find. At this time WO will

still find common parts manufactured by 3rd party companies. Things such as

motors, bolts, gears, etc. are still available. But things such as Piers and

tripods made specific for the unit are already out of production and would

have to be built or adapted from other sources.



The electronics are still supported by Vixen but only serviceable in Japan,

which costs $50 shipping each way before repair costs!



Ease of use? Perhaps the easiest to use goto system on the market. The

design is easy enough for my 8 year old nephew to understand!



Performance wise, I can't complain. If the wind isn't blowing too much the

unit's rock solid. In ever run PEC because the error is under 5 arc seconds

without training!



My 10 inch f/4.4 did really well as long as the wind didn't blow too much.

But I really had problems fitting it into my SUV, even though it was f/4!

And since I cut the pier to accomodate the newtonian without using a ladder

I would have had to spend a couple hundred anyway on a new pier, even if I

cobbled one togehter. And on top of that I always wanted a Losmandy.



You see, at the time I got this mount I was actually waiting for a G11 from

Pocono Optics. But then I heard about how they had started ripping people

off because of the owner's gambling debts. That's a whole nother story.

Anyway, I cancelled the Pocono order after 2 weeks and ordered a G11 from

Anacortes who was quoted from Losmandy of a 4 week wait. Well 6 weeks past

(I'm 2 months in now) and still no word, even after a couple calls. But

Anacortes has this great mount from WO that they quote "I will love this

mount". Between the wait and the talk during 2001 of replacing worm

bearings, adding shaft bearings, etc. I decided to go for "This mount that I

would LOVE". And to make a long story short, I did! Yes, it took some

learning. But it worked well. The problem was that I was always putting too

much scope on it.



So I have several reasons to do this:



1. I want to spend money and I want something new and different. It's a

HORRIBLE DISEASE! I have Astro-spend-itis!

2. I want to get a mount that is current and still in production.

3. I want a mount that's on a tripod rather than a pier so it can be set up

quicker.

4. The g11 has been upgraded and was in stock. I suppose I got lucky but I

went for it when I had the chance. These mounts obviously sell out quickly

for a reason.



There are a few other reasons such as space in the van and other such

things. But the bottom line is that it's the mount I wanted all along,

especially since the improvements. I don't think I'll be disappointed. But I

don't think anyone who buys the GT1 will be either..



My 2c.



Tom P.



-----Original Message-----

From: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Michael Coelho

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:49 PM

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Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Please help me decide







Thomas,



You are selling your GT1HD to bu y the G11?



Michael Coelho



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Picciani" tpicciani@.

..> wrote: >

> I agree. The 250 is a great mount. I like my GT1HD too. It's not

grab and go > either but it's not far from it. But I have to sell it for the

Losmandy G11. > And to be truthful, I didn't have to tinker with it too much either.

>

> Tom P.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:

Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Roland Roberts

> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:50 PM

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com

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> >>>>> "wrm" == William R Mattil wrmattil@...> writes:

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> wrm> When you find the perfect mount that works out of the box

let > wrm> the rest of us know what kind it is. Most serious

> wrm> astrophotographers have had to tinker with the mount to get

the > wrm> best preformance from it. We consider this to be a "right

of > wrm> passage" laughs> I've known people that had trouble right

from > wrm> the start with mounts approaching $10.000.00 in price.

>

> Heh, heh. I have an MI-250 *non*-GOTO that I'm pretty happy with

and > I've never had had to tinker with it a bit.

>

> Of course, I still like my GM-8 and it serves a different purpose.

No > one will *ever* call an MI-250 a "grab and go" mount. In a gale, it

> might be a "grab and hang on" :-)

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#29189 Mar 15, 2006

Hi,

My G11 worked perfectly out of the box. I got the Gemini. It is

important to read the Gemini instructions very carefully...several

times! Anything that has gone wrong has been my fault for not reading

the instructions carefully. Download the instructions and read them

before the mount arrives. The Gemini is amazing. I would get it

right away and save on the upgrade later. I've used my mount when the

temperature was in the teens with no problems. If it's really cold I

slow down the slew and GOTO speeds. This is the best mount in its

class.

Orlando



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#29191 Mar 15, 2006

A lot has been said regarding the need to reduce slewing speeds in the

cold. Well, this is not such an uncommon thing for mounts. Read the

much more expensive Paramount ME manual, and you'll see exactly the

same recommendation: reduce slewing speed in cold temperatures. It

seems laws of physics apply to all mounts, from the bargain G11 to the

high-end ME. :)



Regards,



-Paul



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