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Re: [Losmandy_users] Re: Place second star here


Nov 14, 2005

 


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#27818 Nov 14, 2005

What was that about?

Any polar scope that has the words "place second star here" is

defective?

In what way?

Is there a fix?



I haven't used my polar scope often, and when I have I haven't been

able to see the second star. I've been waiting for a trip to a dark

sky site instead of the backyard.



Garry



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#27824 Nov 14, 2005

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "xlh1450" xlh1450@y...> wrote: >

> What was that about?

> Any polar scope that has the words "place second star here" is

> defective?

> In what way?

> Is there a fix?

>

> I haven't used my polar scope often, and when I have I haven't been

> able to see the second star. I've been waiting for a trip to a dark

> sky site instead of the backyard.

>

> Garry

>



Mine doesn't have any words at all on it - just the tick marks,

alignment lines, and constellations. The presence or absence of words

has nothing to do with the finder's functionality. The very few

defective scopes (yet another "problem" blown out of all proportion)

are painfully obvious in use.



I find that I can almost always see the 2nd star (delta Ursae

Minoris), even in my suburban backyard. Seeing the 3rd star (51

Cephei) requires fairly dark skies, though you have to peer around a

bit to see the entire reticle.



Under really dark skies the polar finder is full of stars.



...laura



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#27837 Nov 14, 2005

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "laurahal42"

laura.halliday@t...> wrote: >

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "xlh1450" xlh1450@y...>

wrote: > >

> > What was that about?

> > Any polar scope that has the words "place second star here" is

> > defective?

> > In what way?

> > Is there a fix?

> >

> > I haven't used my polar scope often, and when I have I haven't

been > > able to see the second star. I've been waiting for a trip to a

dark > > sky site instead of the backyard.

> >

> > Garry

> >

>

> Mine doesn't have any words at all on it - just the tick marks,

> alignment lines, and constellations. The presence or absence of

words > has nothing to do with the finder's functionality. The very few

> defective scopes (yet another "problem" blown out of all

proportion) > are painfully obvious in use.

>

> I find that I can almost always see the 2nd star (delta Ursae

> Minoris), even in my suburban backyard. Seeing the 3rd star (51

> Cephei) requires fairly dark skies, though you have to peer around

a > bit to see the entire reticle.

>

> Under really dark skies the polar finder is full of stars.

>

> ...laura



Thanks Laura. I didn't think there was anything wrong, it holds it's

alignment fairly well.



Garry



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#27857 Nov 15, 2005

----- Original Message -----

From: "xlh1450" xlh1450@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>





> What was that about?

> Any polar scope that has the words "place second star here" is

> defective?

> In what way?

> Is there a fix?

>



Garry,

I seem to have missed a message here or something but I commented in a post

here about the words "place second star here" in reference to those being

the polar scopes that were defective. My G-11 originally came with a polar

scope that had those words on the reticle. I was told by Celestron, Losmandy

and also read on the web that the polar scopes with those words etched into

the reticle were defective and did not function as intended. I don't

remember if the actual reticle was wrong or the magnification of the polar

scope eyepiece was wrong but I could never get both stars to align properly

with the reticle.



At the time I was told to avoid buying one with those words etched on it

since they would not work. This was in the 97-98 time frame. Mine was under

warranty and was replaced but it took forever to get a new one because of a

shortage. The replacement I received does not have those words on the

reticle.



Bill



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#27859 Nov 15, 2005

Bill,



I have one of those Celestron polar scopes and they would not replace it. The problem was that it had the wrong magnification. If you placed a Losmandy and Celestron polar scope side by side, the Celestron is shorter by about 1/2".



Don

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill 85" oicu812ic@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 19:35

Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users] Place second star here







> Garry,

> I seem to have missed a message here or something but I commented in a post

> here about the words "place second star here" in reference to those being

> the polar scopes that were defective. My G-11 originally came with a polar

> scope that had those words on the reticle. I was told by Celestron, Losmandy

> and also read on the web that the polar scopes with those words etched into

> the reticle were defective and did not function as intended. I don't

> remember if the actual reticle was wrong or the magnification of the polar

> scope eyepiece was wrong but I could never get both stars to align properly

> with the reticle.

>

> At the time I was told to avoid buying one with those words etched on it

> since they would not work. This was in the 97-98 time frame. Mine was under

> warranty and was replaced but it took forever to get a new one because of a

> shortage. The replacement I received does not have those words on the

> reticle.

>

> Bill







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#27861 Nov 15, 2005

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Don D'Egidio" wrote:



Bill,



I have one of those Celestron polar scopes and they would not

replace it. The problem was that it had the wrong magnification. If

you placed a Losmandy and Celestron polar scope side by side, the

Celestron is shorter by about 1/2".



Don



----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill 85" oicu812ic@c...



Garry,



I seem to have missed a message here or something but I commented in

a post here about the words "place second star here" in reference to

those being the polar scopes that were defective. My G-11 originally

came with a polar scope that had those words on the reticle. I was

told by Celestron, Losmandy and also read on the web that the polar

scopes with those words etched into the reticle were defective and

did not function as intended. I don't remember if the actual reticle

was wrong or the magnification of the polar scope eyepiece was wrong

but I could never get both stars to align properly with the reticle.

At the time I was told to avoid buying one with those words etched

on it since they would not work. This was in the 97-98 time frame.

Mine was under warranty and was replaced but it took forever to get

a new one because of a shortage. The replacement I received does not

have those words on the reticle.



Bill

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So, there is and isn't a problem.



The wrong magnification meaning that you can't bring the sky into

focus in relation to the hash marks?



I am able to focus mine on Polaris and put it where it is supposed

to be. Like I said before, I haven't been in a dark enough place to

see the second star, so I've left it at that, and alignment has been

close enough, until I start using high powers. Maybe it's just been

that it is no where near the hash marks so I think I can't see it.



Mine is of the questionable vintage, as near as I can make it.



What is the length of the Losmandy polar scope?



I think it pretty much sucks that if you buy a used mount with the

faulty one, that they won't replace it, especially when they tell

you flat out that it was defective. A buying point when I came

across mine, was that it came with the polar scope. A feature that I

didn't concern myself with when I bought the GM8, because I didn't

need two.

Why didn't the previous owner know about it? Maybe he never used it.



This might all be a moot point if it turns out that there is nothing

wrong with mine. But if there is..........



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#27863 Nov 15, 2005

Garry,



It does focus it's just the stars don't land in the spaces provided on the reticle for alignment. The stars are to close to the center of the FOV by a small amount.



I don't have the Losmandy polar scope here, but the Celestron unit is 5 15/16" long when focused. If your unit has a taper from the main body down to the eyepiece it's a Losmandy polar scope and has no problem.



I bought my CG11 new in 1996 along with the polar scope. Celestron said it was Losmandy's problem and Losmandy said it was Celestron's problem. Neither one replaced it. It was a Celestron problem because Losmandy had a slightly different design which did work.



Don

----- Original Message -----

From: "xlh1450" xlh1450@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 0:18

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Place second star here





>

> So, there is and isn't a problem.

>

> The wrong magnification meaning that you can't bring the sky into

> focus in relation to the hash marks?

>

> I am able to focus mine on Polaris and put it where it is supposed

> to be. Like I said before, I haven't been in a dark enough place to

> see the second star, so I've left it at that, and alignment has been

> close enough, until I start using high powers. Maybe it's just been

> that it is no where near the hash marks so I think I can't see it.

>

> Mine is of the questionable vintage, as near as I can make it.

>

> What is the length of the Losmandy polar scope?

>

> I think it pretty much sucks that if you buy a used mount with the

> faulty one, that they won't replace it, especially when they tell

> you flat out that it was defective. A buying point when I came

> across mine, was that it came with the polar scope. A feature that I

> didn't concern myself with when I bought the GM8, because I didn't

> need two.

> Why didn't the previous owner know about it? Maybe he never used it.

>

> This might all be a moot point if it turns out that there is nothing

> wrong with mine. But if there is..........



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#27871 Nov 16, 2005

Don,



Thanks for the specs. I'll check that later tonight.



Since you bought yours as a new CG11 (like mine, excepy I bought used)

the store you bought it from should have stood up for you. But it also

boils down to some pretty shoddy customer service on both Losmandys

and Celestrons part. I don't know what I would have done then, 'cause

I'm not the same person now. Now, I would have taken the mount and

scope back to the store and demanded my money back for selling me

faulty merchandise, if they weren't going to fix the problem.



But I just looked at the warranty at the back of the manual. It was

Celestrons responsibility. They warranteed the CG11 to be free from

defects in materials and workmanship for one year.



Garry







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#27880 Nov 16, 2005

----- Original Message -----

From: "Don D'Egidio" djd521@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

>

> I have one of those Celestron polar scopes and they would not replace it.

> The problem was that it had the wrong magnification. If you placed a

> Losmandy and Celestron polar scope side by side, the Celestron is shorter

> by about 1/2".

>

Thanks for clarifying. I knew there was a problem but could not remember if

it was magnification or a reticle scale problem or both. As I recall, the

defective one worked ok but just the fact that it was defective annoyed me.

Bill



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#27881 Nov 16, 2005

----- Original Message -----

From: "xlh1450" xlh1450@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

>

> I have one of those Celestron polar scopes and they would not

> replace it. The problem was that it had the wrong magnification. If

> you placed a Losmandy and Celestron polar scope side by side, the

> Celestron is shorter by about 1/2".

>

In my case my local dealer went to bat for me. A friend and I went in

together and bought a CG-11 package. He took the scope and I got the mount.

When the power switch went bad on the electronics board it happened at an

Astronomy Day event in front of the dealers store. I wrote a letter to

Celestron describing my problem and the dealer included a letter as a

witness to the problem. Just before the warranty ran out, the same dealer

went to bat for me to get a new polar scope. I *think* Celestron gave my

dealer a credit for the price of replacing the polar scope and the dealer

located a new polar scope about 5 months later and gave it to me. I did have

to return the old one to Celestron though. It all went pretty smooth and I

don't recall Celestron or Losmandy putting up any fuss over the matter.

Scott Losmandy was just sorry that he could not provide the correct polar

scope sooner.

Bill



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