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Re: Park or Home Setting


Feb 14 7:05 AM

 


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#24351 Feb 14 7:05 AM

I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the Sky

version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park position

using the hand paddle as well as the sky.



My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to set a

different park position from the default position and warm start the

scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have tried

to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem. It

seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the default

startup position which is pointing in the general area of the north

celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope runs

into the mount.



Does the scope always have to power up in the default position? I

need to set up a different park position in order to have the

telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

sliding roof.



I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof, closing

the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I get the

scope to go to the default home position without pulling the cmos

battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried it

again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting for park

command?





Any suggestions?



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#24356 Feb 14 7:51 AM

Hi,



After parking and powering off do you make a Warm restart or a Cold

start?



If you make a cold start and the mount is not in the CWD

counterweight down position then it is clear that it will run crazy,

because it assumes that the scope is pointing to DEC 90:00:00 and the

corersponding RA hour for that moment you start it.



As I do not have TheSky I have to ask for what do you need TheSky for

parking or starting your mount ? When connecting any planetarium

software to Gemini, Gemini delivers the coordinates to where it is

pointing. At least that is how it works with SkyMap Pro.



I would say start your mount and then connect to TheSky. Then when

you want to power down, disconnect TheSky, park your mount and power

off the mount.



regards Rainer

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

>

> I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the Sky

> version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park position

> using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

>

> My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to set

a

> different park position from the default position and warm start

the

> scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have tried

> to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem. It

> seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

default

> startup position which is pointing in the general area of the north

> celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope

runs

> into the mount.

>

> Does the scope always have to power up in the default position? I

> need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

> sliding roof.

>

> I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

closing

> the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I get

the

> scope to go to the default home position without pulling the cmos

> battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried it

> again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting for

park

> command?

>

>

> Any suggestions?



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#24358 Feb 14 7:59 AM

Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a Warm

Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be in

the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be in the

same position that the mount was shutdown in.



Regards,



-Paul

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

>

> I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the Sky

> version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park position

> using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

>

> My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to set

a

> different park position from the default position and warm start

the

> scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have tried

> to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem. It

> seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

default

> startup position which is pointing in the general area of the north

> celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope

runs

> into the mount.

>

> Does the scope always have to power up in the default position? I

> need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

> sliding roof.

>

> I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

closing

> the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I get

the

> scope to go to the default home position without pulling the cmos

> battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried it

> again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting for

park

> command?

>

>

> Any suggestions?







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#24360 Feb 14 8:08 AM

AHA



Thanks...This may be the issue.



If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding the

model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?



The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?



If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way the

software is written.



If this is the case then my problem is solved.



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

wrote: >

> Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a Warm

> Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be in

> the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be in

the > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Paul

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> >

> > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the

Sky > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park position

> > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> >

> > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to

set > a

> > different park position from the default position and warm start

> the

> > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have

tried > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem.

It > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

> default

> > startup position which is pointing in the general area of the

north > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope

> runs

> > into the mount.

> >

> > Does the scope always have to power up in the default position?

I > > need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

> > sliding roof.

> >

> > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> closing

> > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I get

> the

> > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the cmos

> > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried it

> > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting for

> park

> > command?

> >

> >

> > Any suggestions?



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#24361 Feb 14 8:17 AM

I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I think

you'll want to use Warm RESTART.



Here is what the manual says about these:



. "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been moved

since the last observing session, but the telescope has been moved on

the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a Warm

Start.





. "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This is

used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since the

last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing if you

aligned your mount the night before.





Regards,



-paul --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

>

> AHA

>

> Thanks...This may be the issue.

>

> If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding the

> model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

>

> The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

>

> If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way the

> software is written.

>

> If this is the case then my problem is solved.

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a

Warm

> > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be

in

> > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be in

> the

> > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Paul

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the

> Sky

> > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

position

> > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > >

> > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to

> set

> > a

> > > different park position from the default position and warm

start

> > the

> > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have

> tried

> > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem.

> It

> > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

> > default

> > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of the

> north

> > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope

> > runs

> > > into the mount.

> > >

> > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

position?

> I

> > > need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

> > > sliding roof.

> > >

> > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> > closing

> > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I

get

> > the

> > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the

cmos

> > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried

it

> > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting

for

> > park

> > > command?

> > >

> > >

> > > Any suggestions?







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#24362 Feb 14 8:22 AM

Yipee and Duhh......



Thanks. Can't wait until tonight.







--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

wrote: >

> I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I think

> you'll want to use Warm RESTART.

>

> Here is what the manual says about these:

>

> . "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

> telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been moved

> since the last observing session, but the telescope has been moved

on > the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a Warm

> Start.

>

>

> . "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This is

> used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since

the > last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

> installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing if

you > aligned your mount the night before.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> -paul

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> >

> > AHA

> >

> > Thanks...This may be the issue.

> >

> > If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding

the > > model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

> >

> > The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

> >

> > If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> > Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way

the > > software is written.

> >

> > If this is the case then my problem is solved.

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a

> Warm

> > > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be

> in

> > > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be

in > > the

> > > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Paul

> > >

> > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

wrote: > > > >

> > > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use

the > > Sky

> > > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

> position

> > > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > > >

> > > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is

to > > set

> > > a

> > > > different park position from the default position and warm

> start

> > > the

> > > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have

> > tried

> > > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a

problem. > > It

> > > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

> > > default

> > > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of the

> > north

> > > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the

scope > > > runs

> > > > into the mount.

> > > >

> > > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

> position?

> > I

> > > > need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> > > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of

the > > > > sliding roof.

> > > >

> > > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> > > closing

> > > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I

> get

> > > the

> > > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the

> cmos

> > > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried

> it

> > > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting

> for

> > > park

> > > > command?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Any suggestions?



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#24363 Feb 14 8:26 AM

Think of it this way:



"Warm Restart", top of the list, use this if you haven't moved the

mount.

"Warm Start" if you moved the mount after the last shutdown.

"Cold Start" will put you back almost the the beginning, you re-enter

some info.

"Reset to Defaults" is Factory settings.

"Additional Align > Reset" clears the the Pointing Model.





"May You Go Among The Imperishable Stars"



Joe Mize: jmize@...

StarFields Observatory www.cav-sfo.com

Chiefland, FL 29:24'33.4"N 82:51'37.7"W

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----- Original Message -----

From: "ejrobau" ejr@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:08 AM

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting





>

>

> AHA

>

> Thanks...This may be the issue.

>

> If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding the

> model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

>

> The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

>

> If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way the

> software is written.

>

> If this is the case then my problem is solved.

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a Warm

>> Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be in

>> the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be in

> the

>> same position that the mount was shutdown in.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> -Paul

>>

>> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

>> >

>> > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the

> Sky

>> > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park position

>> > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

>> >

>> > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to

> set

>> a

>> > different park position from the default position and warm start

>> the

>> > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have

> tried

>> > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem.

> It

>> > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

>> default

>> > startup position which is pointing in the general area of the

> north

>> > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope

>> runs

>> > into the mount.

>> >

>> > Does the scope always have to power up in the default position?

> I

>> > need to set up a different park position in order to have the

>> > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

>> > sliding roof.

>> >

>> > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

>> closing

>> > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I get

>> the

>> > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the cmos

>> > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried it

>> > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting for

>> park

>> > command?

>> >

>> >

>> > Any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>







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#24378 Feb 14 6:10 PM

Hi,

Paul does this mean you can the scope set horizontally

and set this in TheSky as home position and with the new

ASCOM Driver slew home and shut the observatory,

the next day you just warm restart and vola of you go?

I will try this the next time. The new ASCOM has home

and park position.



All the best, Rolf.



** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

www.geyserlandobservatory.org

***********************************



----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul K" pkane2001@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:17 AM

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting









I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I think

you'll want to use Warm RESTART.



Here is what the manual says about these:



. "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been moved

since the last observing session, but the telescope has been moved on

the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a Warm

Start.





. "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This is

used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since the

last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing if you

aligned your mount the night before.





Regards,



-paul

--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

>

> AHA

>

> Thanks...This may be the issue.

>

> If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding the

> model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

>

> The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

>

> If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way the

> software is written.

>

> If this is the case then my problem is solved.

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a

Warm

> > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be

in

> > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be in

> the

> > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Paul

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the

> Sky

> > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

position

> > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > >

> > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is to

> set

> > a

> > > different park position from the default position and warm

start

> > the

> > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have

> tried

> > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem.

> It

> > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

> > default

> > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of the

> north

> > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the scope

> > runs

> > > into the mount.

> > >

> > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

position?

> I

> > > need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

> > > sliding roof.

> > >

> > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> > closing

> > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I

get

> > the

> > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the

cmos

> > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried

it

> > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting

for

> > park

> > > command?

> > >

> > >

> > > Any suggestions?















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#24380 Feb 14 6:37 PM

That would be my guess, alhough I'm not really sure what the new

ASCOM driver does for parking the mount. The old one, I understand,

just set the tracking to none (terrestrial?), and so this should work

just fine.



Regards,



-Paul



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rolf Carstens"

fastprin@w...> wrote: > Hi,

> Paul does this mean you can the scope set horizontally

> and set this in TheSky as home position and with the new

> ASCOM Driver slew home and shut the observatory,

> the next day you just warm restart and vola of you go?

> I will try this the next time. The new ASCOM has home

> and park position.

>

> All the best, Rolf.

>

> ** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

> Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

> www.geyserlandobservatory.org

> ***********************************

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:17 AM

> Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting

>

>

>

>

> I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I think

> you'll want to use Warm RESTART.

>

> Here is what the manual says about these:

>

> . "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

> telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been moved

> since the last observing session, but the telescope has been moved

on > the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a Warm

> Start.

>

>

> . "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This is

> used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since the

> last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

> installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing if

you > aligned your mount the night before.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> -paul

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> >

> > AHA

> >

> > Thanks...This may be the issue.

> >

> > If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding

the > > model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

> >

> > The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

> >

> > If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> > Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way the

> > software is written.

> >

> > If this is the case then my problem is solved.

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a

> Warm

> > > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to be

> in

> > > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to be

in > > the

> > > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Paul

> > >

> > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

wrote: > > > >

> > > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use the

> > Sky

> > > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

> position

> > > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > > >

> > > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal is

to > > set

> > > a

> > > > different park position from the default position and warm

> start

> > > the

> > > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I have

> > tried

> > > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a problem.

> > It

> > > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in the

> > > default

> > > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of the

> > north

> > > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the

scope > > > runs

> > > > into the mount.

> > > >

> > > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

> position?

> > I

> > > > need to set up a different park position in order to have the

> > > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of the

> > > > sliding roof.

> > > >

> > > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> > > closing

> > > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do I

> get

> > > the

> > > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the

> cmos

> > > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not tried

> it

> > > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting

> for

> > > park

> > > > command?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links







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#24387 Feb 15 8:14 AM

Hello everyone.



I think the answer you are looking for Rolf is yes you can. You are

looking to do exactly what I was looking to do. I am happy to say

that last night I just walked into the observatory, turned everything

on, did a warm restart and went straight to Procyon which landed very

near the center of my field of view on a 10"sct operating at f6.3

with an st8xe on it. I did not connect the SKY until I was up and

running with Gemini. I am not sure this matters. But just in

case....I would set the park position on the Gemini unit first before

opening up The Sky. I think the Gemini reports to The Sky the park

location settings. I am not sure on this point but it worked for me

last night.



In addition I now have polar error readings hovering around 0,-1. I

am very near the pole! I am curious to see how long it lasts since I

have had it slip in the past. I think that the trick was to not

overtighten the bolts on the mount and adjust it on the fly using

polar access correction without final tightening.



Finally, I built a brand new model for the entire sky and am

experiencing the best pointing I have ever had. I am one happy

camper. I have finally gotten to the point where I have no need for

flip mirrors and can walk in, crank everything up and go to just

about anything I want and center it spot on.



Now, on to PEC. I am trying to extend the amount of exposure time I

can realize without guiding.



Thanks for the assistance everyone!



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

wrote: >

> That would be my guess, alhough I'm not really sure what the new

> ASCOM driver does for parking the mount. The old one, I understand,

> just set the tracking to none (terrestrial?), and so this should

work > just fine.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Paul

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rolf Carstens"

> fastprin@w...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> > Paul does this mean you can the scope set horizontally

> > and set this in TheSky as home position and with the new

> > ASCOM Driver slew home and shut the observatory,

> > the next day you just warm restart and vola of you go?

> > I will try this the next time. The new ASCOM has home

> > and park position.

> >

> > All the best, Rolf.

> >

> > ** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

> > Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

> > www.geyserlandobservatory.org

> > ***********************************

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:17 AM

> > Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I think

> > you'll want to use Warm RESTART.

> >

> > Here is what the manual says about these:

> >

> > . "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

> > telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been

moved > > since the last observing session, but the telescope has been

moved > on

> > the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a Warm

> > Start.

> >

> >

> > . "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This is

> > used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since

the > > last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

> > installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing if

> you

> > aligned your mount the night before.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -paul

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > AHA

> > >

> > > Thanks...This may be the issue.

> > >

> > > If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding

> the

> > > model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

> > >

> > > The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

> > >

> > > If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> > > Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way

the > > > software is written.

> > >

> > > If this is the case then my problem is solved.

> > >

> > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a

> > Warm

> > > > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to

be > > in

> > > > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to

be > in

> > > the

> > > > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > -Paul

> > > >

> > > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use

the > > > Sky

> > > > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

> > position

> > > > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > > > >

> > > > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal

is > to

> > > set

> > > > a

> > > > > different park position from the default position and warm

> > start

> > > > the

> > > > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I

have > > > tried

> > > > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a

problem. > > > It

> > > > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in

the > > > > default

> > > > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of

the > > > north

> > > > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the

> scope

> > > > runs

> > > > > into the mount.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

> > position?

> > > I

> > > > > need to set up a different park position in order to have

the > > > > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of

the > > > > > sliding roof.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> > > > closing

> > > > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do

I > > get

> > > > the

> > > > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the

> > cmos

> > > > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not

tried > > it

> > > > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting

> > for

> > > > park

> > > > > command?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestions?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links







----------------------------

#24393 Feb 15 6:57 PM

Hi Group,

if I try to go to Home it still is tracking, tracking only

will stop in park. I will give it another try tonight,

the Weather is looking good.



All the best, Rolf.



** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

www.geyserlandobservatory.org

***********************************



----- Original Message -----

From: "ejrobau" ejr@...>

To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:14 AM

Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting









Hello everyone.



I think the answer you are looking for Rolf is yes you can. You are

looking to do exactly what I was looking to do. I am happy to say

that last night I just walked into the observatory, turned everything

on, did a warm restart and went straight to Procyon which landed very

near the center of my field of view on a 10"sct operating at f6.3

with an st8xe on it. I did not connect the SKY until I was up and

running with Gemini. I am not sure this matters. But just in

case....I would set the park position on the Gemini unit first before

opening up The Sky. I think the Gemini reports to The Sky the park

location settings. I am not sure on this point but it worked for me

last night.



In addition I now have polar error readings hovering around 0,-1. I

am very near the pole! I am curious to see how long it lasts since I

have had it slip in the past. I think that the trick was to not

overtighten the bolts on the mount and adjust it on the fly using

polar access correction without final tightening.



Finally, I built a brand new model for the entire sky and am

experiencing the best pointing I have ever had. I am one happy

camper. I have finally gotten to the point where I have no need for

flip mirrors and can walk in, crank everything up and go to just

about anything I want and center it spot on.



Now, on to PEC. I am trying to extend the amount of exposure time I

can realize without guiding.



Thanks for the assistance everyone!



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

wrote:

>

> That would be my guess, alhough I'm not really sure what the new

> ASCOM driver does for parking the mount. The old one, I understand,

> just set the tracking to none (terrestrial?), and so this should

work

> just fine.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Paul

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rolf Carstens"

> fastprin@w...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> > Paul does this mean you can the scope set horizontally

> > and set this in TheSky as home position and with the new

> > ASCOM Driver slew home and shut the observatory,

> > the next day you just warm restart and vola of you go?

> > I will try this the next time. The new ASCOM has home

> > and park position.

> >

> > All the best, Rolf.

> >

> > ** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

> > Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

> > www.geyserlandobservatory.org

> > ***********************************

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:17 AM

> > Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I think

> > you'll want to use Warm RESTART.

> >

> > Here is what the manual says about these:

> >

> > . "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

> > telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been

moved

> > since the last observing session, but the telescope has been

moved

> on

> > the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a Warm

> > Start.

> >

> >

> > . "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This is

> > used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since

the

> > last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

> > installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing if

> you

> > aligned your mount the night before.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -paul

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > AHA

> > >

> > > Thanks...This may be the issue.

> > >

> > > If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for holding

> the

> > > model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this correct?

> > >

> > > The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

> > >

> > > If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD position?

> > > Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way

the

> > > software is written.

> > >

> > > If this is the case then my problem is solved.

> > >

> > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to do a

> > Warm

> > > > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to

be

> > in

> > > > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to

be

> in

> > > the

> > > > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > -Paul

> > > >

> > > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use

the

> > > Sky

> > > > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

> > position

> > > > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > > > >

> > > > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal

is

> to

> > > set

> > > > a

> > > > > different park position from the default position and warm

> > start

> > > > the

> > > > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I

have

> > > tried

> > > > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a

problem.

> > > It

> > > > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in

the

> > > > default

> > > > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of

the

> > > north

> > > > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the

> scope

> > > > runs

> > > > > into the mount.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

> > position?

> > > I

> > > > > need to set up a different park position in order to have

the

> > > > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of

the

> > > > > sliding roof.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the roof,

> > > > closing

> > > > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How do

I

> > get

> > > > the

> > > > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling the

> > cmos

> > > > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not

tried

> > it

> > > > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default setting

> > for

> > > > park

> > > > > command?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestions?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links















Yahoo! Groups Links







----------------------------

#24396 Feb 16 10:57 AM

Now I understand better, I don't think I have gotten the system to

do what you want. I park or tell the mount to go home and turn

everything off. When I come back the next day and do a warm restart

then everything works great. Not quite what you are looking for but

works for me.



Sorry Rolf. Now that I understand better what you are indicating I

am now curious and will try it tonight.



--- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rolf Carstens"

fastprin@w...> wrote: > Hi Group,

> if I try to go to Home it still is tracking, tracking only

> will stop in park. I will give it another try tonight,

> the Weather is looking good.

>

> All the best, Rolf.

>

> ** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

> Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

> www.geyserlandobservatory.org

> ***********************************

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

> To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:14 AM

> Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone.

>

> I think the answer you are looking for Rolf is yes you can. You are

> looking to do exactly what I was looking to do. I am happy to say

> that last night I just walked into the observatory, turned

everything > on, did a warm restart and went straight to Procyon which landed

very > near the center of my field of view on a 10"sct operating at f6.3

> with an st8xe on it. I did not connect the SKY until I was up and

> running with Gemini. I am not sure this matters. But just in

> case....I would set the park position on the Gemini unit first

before > opening up The Sky. I think the Gemini reports to The Sky the park

> location settings. I am not sure on this point but it worked for me

> last night.

>

> In addition I now have polar error readings hovering around 0,-1. I

> am very near the pole! I am curious to see how long it lasts since

I > have had it slip in the past. I think that the trick was to not

> overtighten the bolts on the mount and adjust it on the fly using

> polar access correction without final tightening.

>

> Finally, I built a brand new model for the entire sky and am

> experiencing the best pointing I have ever had. I am one happy

> camper. I have finally gotten to the point where I have no need for

> flip mirrors and can walk in, crank everything up and go to just

> about anything I want and center it spot on.

>

> Now, on to PEC. I am trying to extend the amount of exposure time I

> can realize without guiding.

>

> Thanks for the assistance everyone!

>

> --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> wrote:

> >

> > That would be my guess, alhough I'm not really sure what the new

> > ASCOM driver does for parking the mount. The old one, I

understand, > > just set the tracking to none (terrestrial?), and so this should

> work

> > just fine.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Paul

> >

> > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Rolf Carstens"

> > fastprin@w...> wrote:

> > > Hi,

> > > Paul does this mean you can the scope set horizontally

> > > and set this in TheSky as home position and with the new

> > > ASCOM Driver slew home and shut the observatory,

> > > the next day you just warm restart and vola of you go?

> > > I will try this the next time. The new ASCOM has home

> > > and park position.

> > >

> > > All the best, Rolf.

> > >

> > > ** Geyserland Observatory Rotorua /NZ **

> > > Astronomy & Rotorua Weather

> > > www.geyserlandobservatory.org

> > > ***********************************

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: "Paul K" pkane2001@h...>

> > > To: Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com>

> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:17 AM

> > > Subject: [Losmandy_users] Re: Park or Home Setting

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I think you've got the Warm Start and Restart switched :-) I

think > > > you'll want to use Warm RESTART.

> > >

> > > Here is what the manual says about these:

> > >

> > > . "Warm Start" preserves the modeling data but not the current

> > > telescope position data. It is used if the mount has not been

> moved

> > > since the last observing session, but the telescope has been

> moved

> > on

> > > the mount. The mount must be in the Startup Position during a

Warm > > > Start.

> > >

> > >

> > > . "Warm Restart" preserves all modeling and position data. This

is > > > used if no movement of the mount or telescope has occurred since

> the

> > > last observing session. This is especially useful for permanent

> > > installations, multi-night star parties, and daytime observing

if > > you

> > > aligned your mount the night before.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -paul

> > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

wrote: > > > >

> > > > AHA

> > > >

> > > > Thanks...This may be the issue.

> > > >

> > > > If I remember the documentation the warm restart is for

holding > > the

> > > > model but needs realignment upon powering up? Is this

correct? > > > >

> > > > The warm start is the power up and go mode? Is this correct?

> > > >

> > > > If so, then why does it not know it is not in the CWD

position? > > > > Do I have this correct? If I do then maybe it is just the way

> the

> > > > software is written.

> > > >

> > > > If this is the case then my problem is solved.

> > > >

> > > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul K"

pkane2001@h...> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Emilio, to preserve mount position on startup you need to

do a > > > Warm

> > > > > Restart, and not Warm Start. Warm Start expects the mount to

> be

> > > in

> > > > > the counterweight-down position, Warm Restart expects it to

> be

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > same position that the mount was shutdown in.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > -Paul

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In Losmandy_users@yahoogroups.com, "ejrobau" ejr@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am having problems with the park or home setting. I use

> the

> > > > Sky

> > > > > > version 6 and G11 with Gemini L3. I have set a new park

> > > position

> > > > > > using the hand paddle as well as the sky.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My scope is now within my observatory on a pier. My goal

> is

> > to

> > > > set

> > > > > a

> > > > > > different park position from the default position and warm

> > > start

> > > > > the

> > > > > > scope and slew to the first target with no alignment. I

> have

> > > > tried

> > > > > > to do just this over the past two nights but I have a

> problem.

> > > > It

> > > > > > seems that the telescope thinks that it is starting up in

> the

> > > > > default

> > > > > > startup position which is pointing in the general area of

> the

> > > > north

> > > > > > celestial pole. When I slew to the first target star the

> > scope

> > > > > runs

> > > > > > into the mount.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does the scope always have to power up in the default

> > > position?

> > > > I

> > > > > > need to set up a different park position in order to have

> the

> > > > > > telescope balanced horizontally so it is out of the way of

> the

> > > > > > sliding roof.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have settled on slewing so that the scope clears the

roof, > > > > > closing

> > > > > > the roof, and parking in the default home position. How

do > I

> > > get

> > > > > the

> > > > > > scope to go to the default home position without pulling

the > > > cmos

> > > > > > battery? Right now I just did it manually and have not

> tried

> > > it

> > > > > > again. Is there some kind of go back to the default

setting > > > for

> > > > > park

> > > > > > command?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any suggestions?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links







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