Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service.)


Jul 17, 2012

 


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#4533 Jul 17, 2012

First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.



I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R via Chirp.



My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?



thanxs & 73



KE7QEP



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#4534 Jul 17, 2012

I have been assuming that at that point you are operating in the FRS spectrum so need to play by those rules

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "derekdamien@..." derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.

>

> I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R via Chirp.

>

> My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?

>

> thanxs & 73

>

> KE7QEP

>



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#4536 Jul 17, 2012

I also have the FRS frequencies programmed into my radios for thesame reasons... Just

be aware that you exceed the power an FRS radio is limited to. FRSradios are limited to

500mW (1/2 Watt) unless I am mistaken.





73

K4BBW







On 7/17/2012 2:46 PM, charlie_kc2ped wrote:



��I have been assuming that at that point you are operatingin the FRS spectrum so need to play by those rules



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com,"derekdamien@..." derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> First I am not sure this is where this belongs - myapologies.

>

> I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wifecommunicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on theFamily Radio Service network. I have downloaded thefrequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to theUV-5R via Chirp.

>

> My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I needto follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every tenminutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on anothertalkabout and not the UV-5R ?

>

> thanxs & 73

>

> KE7QEP

>



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#4542 Jul 17, 2012

K4BBW is correct on the power usage.�� this is exactly why I asked.�� I will rephrase the question.��If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS��does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?



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#4546 Jul 17, 2012

Derek asked:



> K4BBW is correct on the power usage.. this is exactly why I asked.. I will

> rephrase the question.

> .

> If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as

> FRS.does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols

> ?





Family Radio and Amateur radio do not share any frequencies, so you would

not want to use amateur protocols on Family Radio frequencies.



If you are concerned that you might be operating illegally on Family Radio

frequencies, then don't do that. You could disable TX on those

frequencies and buy one more Family Radio.



If you believe, as I do, that the F.C.C. has a *lot* better things to do

than check to see if you are operating with a little more power than is

permitted on Family Radio (which is virtually unregulated anyway), then I

would use Family Radio frequencies on your radio to communicate with

family members on Family Radios. I cannot think of any possibility where

this would cause any sort of problem to anybody else that could not be

solved by someone changing channels, which is sometimes necessary when two

families are communicating on the same channel inside an amusement park or

other venue.



In other words, don't worry about it.



Yes, I'm a scofflaw, but remember that one of the choices (above) was to

NOT operate on FRS frequencies with your amateur radio.



As they say, "the choice is yours."





Dave Schultheis

WB6KHP San Jose



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#4547 Jul 17, 2012

Technically a ham radio is illegal to use on any non ham band. With that said I'm sure many do. However if caught you most likely would lose your ham license. Probably won't but always possible.



-------Original Message-------

From: Derek Damien Darcy [derekdamien@...]

Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012

To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com]

Reply To: [baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com]

Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)







K4BBW is correct on the power usage.. this is exactly why I asked.. I will rephrase the question. . If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS.does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?



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#4548 Jul 17, 2012

Your question got me to wondering a about a few things... thissite answered most of my questions.



ba-marc.org/writeups/gmrs-frs-freq.htm







On 7/17/2012 4:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy wrote:





��K4BBW is correct on the power usage.�� this is exactlywhy I asked.�� I will rephrase the question.��If I am using more power than the FRS radios do onthe same frequencies as FRS��doesthis constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuerprotocols ?







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#4551 Jul 17, 2012

#1 - it's been mentioned here previously, it is 'common' readily available knowledge - Part 90 radios are NOT Type Accepted for FRS which means it is illegal to use them on FRS - no matter the power or bandwidth settings.



#2 - since #1, and that FRS is an unlicensed radio service, thus no callsign, using any identification, specifically that of another service (ham, GMRS, public safety, business, etc. - none of which provide cross-service privileges) is illegal.



Using identification from another service is a backwards implication that you are operating that license/service illegally outside of spectrum that license is intended for.



I think monitoring any of the lo-VHF CB channels 1-40 provides a fair indication of the behavior/protocol anticipated on much of the FRS service.



Not sure how many in this group are lawyers, much less specialize in communications law - but your mileage and interpretation of the documented laws for each service may vary.



Either way - the typical base $10,000 fine makes many poor radio decisions cost prohibitive. Lots of sleepy-time reading in Part 15, Part 90, Part 95 and Part 97... which if you have a license for any of those services it is incumbent on you to get familiar.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "derekdamien@..." derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.

>

> I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R via Chirp.

>

> My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?

>

> thanxs & 73

>

> KE7QEP

>



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#4553 Jul 17, 2012

Technically, a transceiver for the FRS and/or GMRS bands needs to be type approved for FCC part 95. The UV-5R is approved for part 90.



If the talkabouts are 22 channel and you are not limiting their use to channels 8 through 14 (1-7 would be OK too if you make sure you are always on the low (.5 watt) power setting), then you would technically need a GMRS license to use them.



You definitely wouldn't want to call attention to yourself by using a ham callsign.



Jim KC9HI

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "derekdamien@..." derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.

>

> I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R via Chirp.

>

> My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?

>

> thanxs & 73

>

> KE7QEP

>



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#4556 Jul 17, 2012

One caveat. The FRS is limited to 0.5 watts. Your ERP with the dummy load (read antenna) will put you in that range as it causes a 3-6 dB. loss.



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#4559 Jul 17, 2012

Hi,



No. Amateur service is on Amateur service frequencies. Use of above legal power on FRS hannels constitutes, at best, illegal use. It might be legal use if you're using the GMRS/FRS shared channels, or rather, the channels that GMRS can use with higher power and wider deviation. However, even with non-type-accepted radios, and understanding I'm treading on dangerous ground here, this would still be, technically, illegal use.



Would anyone complain to the FCC about your use of one watt vs. 500 milliwatts, or your use of a not type accepted radio? Not likely, unless you made an issue of it yourself. But do be aware that, regardless of who may or may not complain, you're no on unassailable legal ground and decide accordingly.

--

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY





On Jul 17, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:



>

> K4BBW is correct on the power usage. this is exactly why I asked. I will rephrase the question.

>

> If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?

>

>



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#4560 Jul 17, 2012

If nothing else fails your radio for FRS, FRS radios must have non removable antennas.

From: Franklin Sanor wa8whp@...>Sender: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:40:37 -0400To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

One caveat. The FRS is limited to 0.5 watts. Your ERP with the dummy load (read antenna) will put you in that range as it causes a 3-6 dB. loss.



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#4563 Jul 17, 2012

Just use low power and narrow and mention not a word of what you're using...

--- On Tue, 7/17/12, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:



K4BBW is correct on the power usage.�� this is exactly why I asked.�� I will rephrase the question.��If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS��does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?







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#4570 Jul 18, 2012

NO! JUST talk, your ham radio call in NO good on FRS,



73 de Tony, KD4K





-----Original Message-----

From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of derekdamien@...

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:41 PM

To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)



First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.



I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola

talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have

downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R

via Chirp.



My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer

radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I

were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?



thanxs & 73



KE7QEP







---------------



Yahoo! Groups Links



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#4571 Jul 18, 2012

The FRS bands are not Amateur radio bands.�� FRS- Family Radio Service.�� There for you do not need a license or identify on FRS.�� Please do not use your ham call outside amateur radio bands.�� That would be a BIG NO NO.�� you do need a license if the frequencies used fall into the GMRS bands.

---------- Original Message ----------From: "derekdamien@..." derekdamien@...>To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:41:08 -0000

��First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.

I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R via Chirp.

My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?

thanxs & 73

KE7QEP



����



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#4573 Jul 18, 2012

Based on the original question I am going to assume you are not familiar with Part 95 rules about FRS. Something else you will want to be aware of. Your UV5R transmits at either double or 10 times the legal limit of FRS. The radio is not legal for use on FRS. Since the radio transmits more power than allowed and has a removable antenna, using your 5R could be seen as unlicensed operation of a GMRS station. You're Amateur Radio license is only valid for operating an Amateur Radio station on the frequencies authorized for your license class. It does not. Cover FRS, GMRS, MURS or any other radio service, and it certainly does not authorize you to use unauthorized equipment on FRS.

I'm not telling you to stop using it, that's entirely your decision, but I am making sure you know the risks involved.Dan Buchanan423.833.3271Sent from my hacked Blackberry.

From: "Tony" kd4k@...>Sender: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:39:11 -0400To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)



��

NO! JUST talk, your ham radio call in NO good on FRS,



73 de Tony, KD4K





-----Original Message-----

From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of derekdamien@...

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:41 PM

To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)



First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.



I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola

talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have

downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R

via Chirp.



My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer

radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I

were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?



thanxs & 73



KE7QEP



---------------



Yahoo! Groups Links



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#4575 Jul 18, 2012

In the States you need a license for GMRS. ��In Canada you do not.

The first 7 channels are shared between FRS and GMRS, and you can operate them without a GMRS license if you are using a 1/2 watt FRS radio. Or, if you have a GMRS license you can run 5 watts on those channels.

The next 7, (channels 8 thru 14) are reserved for FRS only. ��Although GMRS radios generally do include those channels, the power is limited to the FRS 1/2 watt.

The next 8, (channels 15 thru 22 on most GMRS radios), are GMRS only. ��5 watts in Canada. ��I believe you GMRS licensed Americans can run much more aggressive setups, but I'm not sure of those details.

Ian--- On Tue, 7/17/12, nk8j@... nk8j@...> wrote:

From: nk8j@... nk8j@...>Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service )To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comReceived: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 11:58 PM

��The FRS bands are not Amateur radio bands.�� FRS- Family Radio Service.�� There for you do not need a license or identify on FRS.�� Please do not use your ham call outside amateur radio bands.�� That would be a BIG NO NO.�� you do need a license if the frequencies used fall into the GMRS bands.

---------- Original Message ----------From: "derekdamien@..." derekdamien@...>To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:41:08 -0000

��First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.

I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorola talkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I have downloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5R viaChirp.

My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuer radio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if I were on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?

thanxs & 73

KE7QEP



����

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#4579 Jul 18, 2012

Thanks Dan,�� your post should end this thread. Use it if you want, but KNOW it is NOT a FRS or GMRS radio. If you want to give up your Ham license, go ahead at your own risk. Why not just go buy a radio that is made for those bands and keep your Amateur Radio License safe.��David - W4DSM��

--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Dan Buchanan dan.buchanan@...> wrote:



From: Dan Buchanan dan.buchanan@...>Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 12:43 AM

��Based on the original question I am going to assume you are not familiar with Part 95 rules about FRS. Something else you will want to be aware of. Your UV5R transmits at either double or 10 times the legal limit of FRS. The radio is not legal for use on FRS. Since the radio transmits more power than allowed and has a removable antenna, using your 5R could be seen as unlicensed operation of a GMRS station. You're Amateur Radio license is only valid for operating an Amateur Radio station on the frequencies authorized for your license class. It does not. Cover FRS, GMRS, MURS or any other radio service, and it certainly does not authorize you to use unauthorized equipment on FRS.

I'm not telling you to stop using it, that's entirely your decision, but I am making sure you know the risks involved.Dan Buchanan423.833.3271Sent from my hacked Blackberry.

From: "Tony" kd4k@...>Sender: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:39:11 -0400To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

��NO! JUST talk, your ham radio call in NO good on FRS,

73 de Tony, KD4K

-----Original Message-----From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of derekdamien@...Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:41 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

First I am not sure this is where this belongs - my apologies.

I have a Baofeng UV-5R. My daughter and wife communicate via Motorolatalkabout walkie talkies on the Family Radio Service network. I havedownloaded the frequencies they talk most on and uploaded them to the UV-5Rvia Chirp.

My question is: If I am using the FRS bands Do I need to follow Amatuerradio Protocols calling my ID every ten minutes ? or can I just chat as if Iwere on another talkabout and not the UV-5R ?

thanxs & 73

KE7QEP

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Yahoo! Groups Links



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#4591 Jul 18, 2012

I have to agree. It is illegal to use the the UV-5R to transmit on the FRS frequencies, licensed or not, because the radio exceeds power limits and it has a removable antenna.



Having said that, it's very unlikely that the FCC is going to send the spectrum police after you for using the UV-5R. Even still, if you were caught by the FCC they rightfully could confiscate the gear, fine you, AND you could lose your amateur license. If I were going to use the radio on the FRS frequencies, the last thing I would do is give my amateur call sign!



On the GMRS and MURS frequencies you would be legal IF you possessed a license for that allocation. (Those licenses are expensive!) I would assume the same is true for all of the rest of spectrum the UV-5R covers.



Chas

NK8O

VE3ISD

5H9CP

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Brannan buddy@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> No. Amateur service is on Amateur service frequencies. Use of above legal power on FRS hannels constitutes, at best, illegal use. It might be legal use if you're using the GMRS/FRS shared channels, or rather, the channels that GMRS can use with higher power and wider deviation. However, even with non-type-accepted radios, and understanding I'm treading on dangerous ground here, this would still be, technically, illegal use.

>

> Would anyone complain to the FCC about your use of one watt vs. 500 milliwatts, or your use of a not type accepted radio? Not likely, unless you made an issue of it yourself. But do be aware that, regardless of who may or may not complain, you're no on unassailable legal ground and decide accordingly.

> --

> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

>

>

>

> On Jul 17, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > K4BBW is correct on the power usage. this is exactly why I asked. I will rephrase the question.

> >

> > If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?

> >

> >

>



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#4593 Jul 18, 2012

I looked at the GMRS license, $85.. Still, if I'm remembering right it covers everyone in the household..On Jul 18, 2012 9:58 AM, "Charles" doctorcwp@...> wrote:

.I have to agree. It is illegal to use the the UV-5R to transmit on the FRS frequencies, licensed or not, because the radio exceeds power limits and it has a removable antenna.



Having said that, it's very unlikely that the FCC is going to send the spectrum police after you for using the UV-5R. Even still, if you were caught by the FCC they rightfully could confiscate the gear, fine you, AND you could lose your amateur license. If I were going to use the radio on the FRS frequencies, the last thing I would do is give my amateur call sign!

On the GMRS and MURS frequencies you would be legal IF you possessed a license for that allocation. (Those licenses are expensive!) I would assume the same is true for all of the rest of spectrum the UV-5R covers.



Chas

NK8O

VE3ISD

5H9CP



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Brannan buddy@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> No. Amateur service is on Amateur service frequencies. Use of above legal power on FRS hannels constitutes, at best, illegal use. It might be legal use if you're using the GMRS/FRS shared channels, or rather, the channels that GMRS can use with higher power and wider deviation. However, even with non-type-accepted radios, and understanding I'm treading on dangerous ground here, this would still be, technically, illegal use. >

> Would anyone complain to the FCC about your use of one watt vs. 500 milliwatts, or your use of a not type accepted radio? Not likely, unless you made an issue of it yourself. But do be aware that, regardless of who may or may not complain, you're no on unassailable legal ground and decide accordingly. > --

> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

>

>

>

> On Jul 17, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > K4BBW is correct on the power usage. this is exactly why I asked. I will rephrase the question.

> >

> > If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?

> >

> >

>







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#4594 Jul 18, 2012

On 7/18/12 4:57 PM, Charles wrote: > I have to agree. It is illegal to use the the UV-5R to transmit on the

> FRS frequencies, licensed or not, because the radio exceeds power limits

> and it has a removable antenna.

>

> Having said that, it's very unlikely that the FCC is going to send the

> spectrum police after you for using the UV-5R. Even still, if you were

> caught by the FCC they rightfully could confiscate the gear, fine you,

> AND you could lose your amateur license. If I were going to use the

> radio on the FRS frequencies, the last thing I would do is give my

> amateur call sign!

>

> On the GMRS and MURS frequencies you would be legal IF you possessed a

> license for that allocation. (Those licenses are expensive!) I would

> assume the same is true for all of the rest of spectrum the UV-5R covers.





MURS does not require a license, but from the way I understand the regs,

the UV-5R is not legal to use on it.



GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except, and I say

this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They are $85 for 5 years,

which comes out to $17 a year.



It also covers the 160mHz boating band, I have no idea if you need a

license for those radios, or any other regs.



Far from the reach of the FCC, although it is illegal in those countries

"American channel 3" has become the international calling and distress

frequency for 4 wheel drive vehicles. High power LMR radios on those

channels demand a premium.



Geoff.



--

Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379



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#4596 Jul 18, 2012

Charles, that is not correct. A UV-5R is only Part 90 certified. FRS & GMRS requires Part 95 certified equipment.



-------Original Message-------

From: Charles [doctorcwp@...]

Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2012

To: [baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com]

Reply To: [baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com]

Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)





On the GMRS and MURS frequencies you would be legal IF you possessed a license for that allocation. (Those licenses are expensive!) I would assume the same is true for all of the rest of spectrum the UV-5R covers.



Chas

NK8O

VE3ISD

5H9CP

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Brannan buddy@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> No. Amateur service is on Amateur service frequencies. Use of above legal power on FRS hannels constitutes, at best, illegal use. It might be legal use if you're using the GMRS/FRS shared channels, or rather, the channels that GMRS can use with higher power and wider deviation. However, even with non-type-accepted radios, and understanding I'm treading on dangerous ground here, this would still be, technically, illegal use.

>

> Would anyone complain to the FCC about your use of one watt vs. 500 milliwatts, or your use of a not type accepted radio? Not likely, unless you made an issue of it yourself. But do be aware that, regardless of who may or may not complain, you're no on unassailable legal ground and decide accordingly.

> --

> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

>

>

>

> On Jul 17, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > K4BBW is correct on the power usage. this is exactly why I asked. I will rephrase the question.

> >

> > If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?

> >

> >

>









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#4597 Jul 18, 2012

There is no license for MURS.

--

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY





On Jul 18, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Charles doctorcwp@...> wrote:



> I have to agree. It is illegal to use the the UV-5R to transmit on the FRS frequencies, licensed or not, because the radio exceeds power limits and it has a removable antenna.

>

> Having said that, it's very unlikely that the FCC is going to send the spectrum police after you for using the UV-5R. Even still, if you were caught by the FCC they rightfully could confiscate the gear, fine you, AND you could lose your amateur license. If I were going to use the radio on the FRS frequencies, the last thing I would do is give my amateur call sign!

>

> On the GMRS and MURS frequencies you would be legal IF you possessed a license for that allocation. (Those licenses are expensive!) I would assume the same is true for all of the rest of spectrum the UV-5R covers.

>

> Chas

> NK8O

> VE3ISD

> 5H9CP

>

> --- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Brannan buddy@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > No. Amateur service is on Amateur service frequencies. Use of above legal power on FRS hannels constitutes, at best, illegal use. It might be legal use if you're using the GMRS/FRS shared channels, or rather, the channels that GMRS can use with higher power and wider deviation. However, even with non-type-accepted radios, and understanding I'm treading on dangerous ground here, this would still be, technically, illegal use.

> >

> > Would anyone complain to the FCC about your use of one watt vs. 500 milliwatts, or your use of a not type accepted radio? Not likely, unless you made an issue of it yourself. But do be aware that, regardless of who may or may not complain, you're no on unassailable legal ground and decide accordingly.

> > --

> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

> >

> >

> >

> > On Jul 17, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > K4BBW is correct on the power usage. this is exactly why I asked. I will rephrase the question.

> > >

> > > If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>







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#4598 Jul 18, 2012

Yes. The GMRS license covers the licensee and their family. That includes people who are family but not part of the household.Dan Buchanan423.833.3271Sent from my hacked Blackberry.

From: Alek Kristola akristola@...>Sender: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:11:05 -0400To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)



��I looked at the GMRS license, $85.. Still, if I'm remembering right it covers everyone in the household..On Jul 18, 2012 9:58 AM, "Charles" doctorcwp@...> wrote:

.I have to agree. It is illegal to use the the UV-5R to transmit on the FRS frequencies, licensed or not, because the radio exceeds power limits and it has a removable antenna.



Having said that, it's very unlikely that the FCC is going to send the spectrum police after you for using the UV-5R. Even still, if you were caught by the FCC they rightfully could confiscate the gear, fine you, AND you could lose your amateur license. If I were going to use the radio on the FRS frequencies, the last thing I would do is give my amateur call sign!

On the GMRS and MURS frequencies you would be legal IF you possessed a license for that allocation. (Those licenses are expensive!) I would assume the same is true for all of the rest of spectrum the UV-5R covers.



Chas

NK8O

VE3ISD

5H9CP



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Brannan buddy@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> No. Amateur service is on Amateur service frequencies. Use of above legal power on FRS hannels constitutes, at best, illegal use. It might be legal use if you're using the GMRS/FRS shared channels, or rather, the channels that GMRS can use with higher power and wider deviation. However, even with non-type-accepted radios, and understanding I'm treading on dangerous ground here, this would still be, technically, illegal use. >

> Would anyone complain to the FCC about your use of one watt vs. 500 milliwatts, or your use of a not type accepted radio? Not likely, unless you made an issue of it yourself. But do be aware that, regardless of who may or may not complain, you're no on unassailable legal ground and decide accordingly. > --

> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

>

>

>

> On Jul 17, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Derek Damien Darcy derekdamien@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > K4BBW is correct on the power usage. this is exactly why I asked. I will rephrase the question.

> >

> > If I am using more power than the FRS radios do on the same frequencies as FRS does this constitute Amatuer usage and thus require amatuer protocols ?

> >

> >

>



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#4599 Jul 18, 2012

That answered my question.�� I do have a FRS radio that I can use.



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#4610 Jul 18, 2012

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" >

> edited to save space>

>

> GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except,

> and I say this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They

> are $85 for 5 years, which comes out to $17 a year.

>

> Geoff.

>

> --

> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379

>



I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to $1.50/yr is a lot.



When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively free since you don't need one, they are infinitely more expensive.



Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5 radios that work in the ham bands lately?



Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.



Just sayin'



Marty

AG3EK



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#4611 Jul 18, 2012

On 7/18/12 10:02 PM, mwallred wrote: > I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to

> an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to

> $1.50/yr is a lot.



When did they go up in price? I thought they were still free in the US.

>

> When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively

> free since you don't need one, they are infinitely more expensive.



IMHO a bad comparison. If you want to us those services, you still have

to buy a radio, and you are limited to what you get for them.

> Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the

> radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand

> new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5

> radios that work in the ham bands lately?



Exactly where do you get a legal GMRS radio for $5?



> Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages

> for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of

> their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.



Even if the license was free, they would have to buy radios.



At minimum wage, how much time would they have to work to buy a family's

worth of GMRS radios (not MURS, NOT FRS, NOT CB)?



Geoff.

--

Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379







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#4616 Jul 18, 2012

Actually, an Amateur Radio license is free. It's the test that costs, or else a vanity call costs. The operator license itself, however, as well as the original and subsequent, non-vanity station licenses, are free.

--

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY





On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:02 PM, mwallred mwallred@...> wrote:



>

>

> --- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

> >

> > edited to save space>

> >

> > GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except,

> > and I say this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They

> > are $85 for 5 years, which comes out to $17 a year.

> >

> > Geoff.

> >

> > --

> > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379

> >

>

> I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to $1.50/yr is a lot.

>

> When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively free since you don't need one, they are infinitely more expensive.

>

> Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5 radios that work in the ham bands lately?

>

> Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.

>

> Just sayin'

>

> Marty

> AG3EK

>

>



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#4618 Jul 18, 2012

If that were totally true, the check would have been made out to the club where I took my exam and in 10 years I would be taking the exam again not getting my license renewed by send cash to the FCC??��JL

��.Many of life's failures are people whodid not realize how close they were tosuccess when they gave up.������������ Thomas A.Edison����������

From: Buddy Brannan buddy@...> To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

Actually, an Amateur Radio license is free. It's the test that costs, or else a vanity call costs. The operator license itself, however, as well as the original and subsequent, non-vanity station licenses, are free. --Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PAPhone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:02 PM, mwallred mwallred@...> wrote:

> > > --- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" > >> > edited to save space>> >> > GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except,> > and I say this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They > > are $85 for 5 years, which comes out to $17 a year.> > > >Geoff.> > > > -- > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379> >> > I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to $1.50/yr is a lot.> > When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively free since you don't need one, they are infinitely more expensive.> > Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5 radios that work in the ham bands lately?> > Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.> > Justsayin'> > Marty> AG3EK> >



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#4619 Jul 18, 2012

In the 25 years I've been a ham, with no vanity call (this one's my original), I've never paid for a license grant or license renewal. Of course, if you get a vanity call, you do have to pay for its renewal, else you get the next one in the queue.

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On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:44 PM, John Leahy jleahy00@...> wrote:



>

> If that were totally true, the check would have been made out to the club where I took my exam and in 10 years I would be taking the exam again not getting my license renewed by send cash to the FCC??

>

> JL

>

> .

> Many of life's failures are people who

> did not realize how close they were to

> success when they gave up.

> Thomas A. Edison

>

> From: Buddy Brannan buddy@...>

> To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:38 PM

> Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

>

> Actually, an Amateur Radio license is free. It's the test that costs, or else a vanity call costs. The operator license itself, however, as well as the original and subsequent, non-vanity station licenses, are free.

> --

> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

>

>

>

> On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:02 PM, mwallred mwallred@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > --- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

> > >

> > > edited to save space>

> > >

> > > GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except,

> > > and I say this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They

> > > are $85 for 5 years, which comes out to $17 a year.

> > >

> > > Geoff.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379

> > >

> >

> > I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to $1.50/yr is a lot.

> >

> > When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively free since you don't need one, they are infinitely more expensive.

> >

> > Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5 radios that work in the ham bands lately?

> >

> > Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.

> >

> > Just sayin'

> >

> > Marty

> > AG3EK

> >

> >

>

>

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#4621 Jul 18, 2012

You are right !��Opened mouth before thinking.��John

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From: Buddy Brannan buddy@...> To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

In the 25 years I've been a ham, with no vanity call (this one's my original), I've never paid for a license grant or license renewal. Of course, if you get a vanity call, you do have to pay for its renewal, else you get the next one in the queue.--Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PAPhone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:44 PM, John Leahy jleahy00@...> wrote:

> > If that were totally true, the check would have been made out to the club where I took my exam and in 10 years I would be taking the exam again not getting my license renewed by send cash to the FCC??>�� > JL>�� > .> Many of life's failures are people who> did not realize how close they were to> success when they gave up.>�� �� �� �� Thomas A. Edison�� ��

> > From: Buddy Brannan buddy@...>> To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:38 PM> Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)> > Actually, an Amateur Radio license is free. It's the test that costs, or else a vanity call costs. The operator license itself, however, as well as the original and subsequent, non-vanity station licenses, are free. > --> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY> > > > On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:02 PM, mwallred mwallred@...> wrote:> > > > >

> > --- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" > > >> > > edited to save space>> > >> > > GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except,> > > and I say this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They > > > are $85 for 5 years, which comes out to $17 a year.> > > > > > Geoff.> > > > > > -- > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379> > >> > > > I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to $1.50/yr is a lot.> > > > When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively free since you don'tneed one, they are infinitely more expensive.> > > > Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5 radios that work in the ham bands lately?> > > > Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.> > > > Just sayin'> > > > Marty> > AG3EK> > > > > > > ---------------> > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > >



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#4623 Jul 18, 2012

WOW.�� I was ismply inquiring as I was reading over part 90 of the FCC rules and wanted clarification which I received that I could not use the UV-5R without breaking some rules.��Although everyone has an opinion about how far the FCC would take this, or whether they would even persue it, and whether GMRS would qualify.��My sincerest apologies for opening up such a topic.�� I simply wanted to rely on the opinion of those with more knowledge in the field.�� The FCC Rules are complex and sometimes I have to reread them two or three times to truely understand them.����I received the answer I needed and have opted to use a FRS store bought radio.�� It is inconvienant to carry two radios but keeps me in compliance.��thank you every one, and sorry for creating such a hot topic.



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#4658 Jul 19, 2012

it is true.�� you pay for the test thru the ARRL not the License when you first get your license.�� from then on it's free to renew.�� Vanity call signs are $15.00 when you first get them and you pay $15.00 again when you renew them.�� Again the license is free. all your paying for is the paper work to File it all.

---------- Original Message ----------From: John Leahy jleahy00@...>To: "baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com" baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT)

��If that were totally true, the check would have been made out to the club where I took my exam and in 10 years I would be taking the exam again not getting my license renewed by send cash to the FCC??��JL����.Many of life's failures are people whodid not realize how close they were tosuccess when they gave up.������������ Thomas A. Edison���������� ����From: Buddy Brannan buddy@...>To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:38 PMSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] quick questions regarding FRS (Family Radio Service)

Actually, an Amateur Radio license is free. It's the test that costs, or else a vanity call costs. The operator license itself, however, as well as the original and subsequent, non-vanity station licenses, are free. --Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PAPhone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:02 PM, mwallred mwallred@...> wrote:

> > > --- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" > >> > edited to save space>> >> > GMRS licenses are not expensive in terms of anything except,> > and I say this lovingly, a cheap Chinese radio group. They > > are $85 for 5 years, which comes out to $17 a year.> > > > Geoff.> > > > -- > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379> >> > I beg to differ. The GMRS licenses are rather expensive when compared to an amateur radio license at only $15 for ten years. $17/yr compared to $1.50/yr is a lot.> > When compared to the FRS, MURS and CB licenses, which are effectively free since you don't need one, they are infinitely more expensive.> > Or, perhaps you would compare the cost of the license to the cost of the radios being used for that license. With GMRS, it's easy to get a brand new radio that costs a mere third of what the license costs. Seen any $5 radios that work in the ham bands lately?> > Yet another way to look at it is that it costs about 10 hours of wages for a minimum wage employee. For many people, giving up a fourth of their weekly pay check would be considered expensive.> > Just sayin'> > Marty> AG3EK> >



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