Re: How far on 5w?


Jun 19, 2013

 


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#29685 Jun 19, 2013

I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking, how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5 watts of power?



The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20 miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest buildings in downtown Houston.



My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of them was 30 miles N/NE of me.



So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that repeater, or they just didn't respond.



I also tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there hasn't been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I hear is the automated identifier from time to time.



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#29686 Jun 19, 2013

I live about 5 miles from two repeaters at 1700 Ft and I reside at 800 Feet, no hills between us. .Lots of foliage though. .My UV5R gets to these repeats with a rubber duck, .but "just". .With an external antenna like a vertical for 2M, 50 miles should be easy and 35 miles for VHF. .

Make sure the repeaters you are trying are programmed in with needed PL tones.

Andy K3UK



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#29687 Jun 19, 2013

I know I'm hitting the one about 10 miles away because if I key up, as soon as I unkey I get some CW code back.



I'll have to check the other to make sure I've got it programmed correctly, but I'm pretty sure I've got it correct.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" k3ukandy@...> wrote:

>

> I live about 5 miles from two repeaters at 1700 Ft and I reside at 800

> Feet, no hills between us. Lots of foliage though. My UV5R gets to these

> repeats with a rubber duck, but "just". With an external antenna like a

> vertical for 2M, 50 miles should be easy and 35 miles for VHF.

>

> Make sure the repeaters you are trying are programmed in with needed PL

> tones.

>

> Andy K3UK

>



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#29688 Jun 19, 2013

This is a frequentlyasked question Christopher but the short answer, all otherthings being equal, is that at the transmit frequencies theseBaofengs cover, the distance is essentially "lineof sight". If you can see your target you can generally workit. The fact that you can get that mostactive repeater well has more to do with its 1100' elevatedsite than the amount of power it runs.



The act that you didn't get a response to your first attemptsis probably more likely to your not having set up the offsetscorrectly, or not having set a required CTCSS code. Can you getany response from the repeater itself? Even if nobody responds toyour call, you can generally hear the repearter open if it hasreceived your transmission\l and if enough time has elapsed sincelast used, it will also normally key its ident.



Bill, VK7MXOn 20/06/2013 9:38 AM, Christopher Coywrote:

I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking, how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5 watts of power?

The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20 miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest buildings in downtown Houston.

My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of them was 30 miles N/NE of me.

So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that repeater, or they just didn't respond.

I also tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there hasn't been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I hear is the automated identifier from time to time.





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#29689 Jun 20, 2013

Andy's response got tothe group before mine but we are consistent. The fact that youare keying up one repeater is promising, so asyou say, double check your settings for the other repeater.



Two other possibilites�� come to mind. Thefirst is that some recent reports on the group describeradios with faulty microphones. Can you tryto arrange a simplex contact with somebody to rule out anyfaults of that nature.



The second possibility is the so-called FM capture effect. Because wetransmit the required intelligence on FM by varyingthe frequency of the carrier wave, astronger signal tends to deviate that carrier morethan a weaker signal, meaning that the wealkersignal just gets lost, swallowed by the largersignal. Those signals you heard on the repeatermight possibly have been capturingyours, unless you had a really clear spot betweentheir overs in which you could break in?



Bill

On 20/06/2013 9:50 AM, Christopher Coywrote:

I know I'm hitting the one about 10 miles away because if I key up, as soon as I unkey I get some CW code back.

I'll have to check the other to make sure I've got it programmed correctly, but I'm pretty sure I've got it correct.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" k3ukandy@...> wrote:

I live about 5 miles from two repeaters at 1700 Ft and I reside at 800Feet, no hills between us. Lots of foliage though. My UV5R gets to theserepeats with a rubber duck, but "just". With an external antenna like avertical for 2M, 50 miles should be easy and 35 miles for VHF.

Make sure the repeaters you are trying are programmed in with needed PLtones.

Andy K3UK







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#29690 Jun 20, 2013

snip a lot of stuff>



Hello,

I picked up an SMA >PL259 adapter and connected my BaoFeng UV5R to my

tuned 2 meter J-pole and have talked via a repeater 50 miles away. I don't

know what the 6db gain of the j-pole does to the effective radiated power

of the little radio, but a 50 mile jaunt over the Selkirk mountains is

pretty damned good for a $40 dollar hand held.



Just my .02



steve

WA7SK



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#29691 Jun 20, 2013

How far on 5 watts. Many factors to consider.



Power, antenna height, HASL (height above sea level) ,terrain, obstruction, water, trees, horizon, etc.

A good start for simplex operation would be

www.qsl.net/kd4sai/distance.html



Even at that, Your Mileage may Vary.



John K3NXU

www.miklor.com



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#29692 Jun 20, 2013

Yesterday I plugged in the supplied ext mic and over the ear headphone. I listened to the repeater while I mowed the yard, and then removed the ext mic last night. I'm wondering if perhaps I am a victim of the unclosed circuit issue with ext mic's?



When I use the PTT button now, it goes into TX mode, and says that I'm TX'ing though.



I'll have to try and make a simplex contact tomorrow morning. I'm at work now and can't get out of the building with a cell phone, much less anything else.



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Bill Maxwell wrmaxwell@...> > > Two other possibilites come to mind. The first is that some recent

> reports on the group describe radios with faulty microphones. Can you

> try to arrange a simplex contact with somebody to rule out any faults of

> that nature.

>



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#29693 Jun 20, 2013

I was looking at DIY instructions for a copper pipe J-pole yesterday. I may end up trying to build one of those for the house.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, skintner@...> wrote:

>

> snip a lot of stuff>

>

> Hello,

> I picked up an SMA >PL259 adapter and connected my BaoFeng UV5R to my

> tuned 2 meter J-pole and have talked via a repeater 50 miles away. I don't

> know what the 6db gain of the j-pole does to the effective radiated power

> of the little radio, but a 50 mile jaunt over the Selkirk mountains is

> pretty damned good for a $40 dollar hand held.

>

> Just my .02

>

> steve

> WA7SK

>



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#29694 Jun 20, 2013

Im able to key at least 4 repeaters in my area. 2 x 2metre and 2 x 70cm.

the 2 metre ones are 15km and 50km away

the 70cm are 15km and 40 km.

Im actually quite impressed with the results.

This is using a Jpole on both 2 and 70.

Using the bog standard black stick i can hit both 15km repeaters without any trouble at all.

I also have one setup for APRS receiving from a digipeater 30km away and get that with a jpole also no probs.

A good antenna does wonders guys.

I recommend learning to make antennas.



Frank



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#29695 Jun 20, 2013

I built mine from plans on the internet... actually, have built 3 of them

now. Easy if you know how to cut tubing and solder. Excellent 2 meter

antenna for less than $20





On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:33:37 -0000, "Christopher Coy"

coyimages@...> wrote: > I was looking at DIY instructions for a copper pipe J-pole yesterday. I

> may end up trying to build one of those for the house.



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#29696 Jun 20, 2013

Well, the external micsocket problem might be the culprit, as it is common enough and not limited to Baofeng, as I have had toreplace the jacks on many Quanshengs over recent years. Itwould still give you PTT function and show youtransmitting but if it is the mic audioconnection that is faulty, you wont have an actualmicrophone element connected to the radio. See how you goon simplex tomorrow morning.



Bill, VK7MX

On 20/06/2013 10:32 AM, Christopher Coywrote:

Yesterday I plugged in the supplied ext mic and over the ear headphone. I listened to the repeater while I mowed the yard, and then removed the ext mic last night. I'm wondering if perhaps I am a victim of the unclosed circuit issue with ext mic's?

When I use the PTT button now, it goes into TX mode, and says that I'm TX'ing though.

I'll have to try and make a simplex contact tomorrow morning. I'm at work now and can't get out of the building with a cell phone, much less anything else.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Bill Maxwell wrmaxwell@...> >

Two other possibilites come to mind. The first is that some recent reports on the group describe radios with faulty microphones. Can you try to arrange a simplex contact with somebody to rule out any faults of that nature.







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#29697 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Coy" coyimages@...> wrote: >

> I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking, how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5 watts of power?

>



Power has something to do with it, but not nearly as much as many think. At VHF/UHF frequencies, it is line of sight, and doubling, tripling, or even 10 x more power won't push your signal any farther. Line of sight, that's it.



For these frequencies, your antenna and more importantly, height over the surrounding terrain means everything. At 1 watt (low) I can't kerchunk our repeater about 5 miles away from my back yard with the NA-701 antenna. I can hear it, just not enough signal to the repeater to operate.



But if I hook it up in the shack, to the coax going up to the J-pole on my mast, I can easily talk to that same repeater with just 1 watt, and "full quiet" signal reports.



I was in another town, about 50 miles away, and was talking to a friend on 2 meters simplex with my mobile rig. He was using his HT at 5 watts -- through the antenna on top of his 50' tower. I was amazed back then. I did report his signal had a little noise. He said, "Let me turn off the window unit." The window air conditioner behind him was the noise. He turned it off, and he had a clean "full quiet" signal.



Height of both antennas makes a huge difference.



Paul - AE5JU



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#29698 Jun 20, 2013

The J-pole's 6dB gainwould certainly help, although I think the Slim Jim derivativewould be an even better bet..



A 50 mile jaunt over a mountain range might well have involvedthe so-called knife-edge effect, where thesignal gets refracted (?) when passing over the ridge anddeflected down the other side - one of the exceptions to theline-of sight normal behaviour of VHF and UHF signals. Interestingexperiment is to demonstrate this phenomenon by shining a torch ata knife blade placed sharp edge uppermost on a table top. The beamcan be seen hitting the knife edge and the deflection appearing onthe table top on other side�� where you would normally expected itto have been shaded by the blade.



Bill, VK7MXOn 20/06/2013 10:33 AM, Christopher Coywrote:

I was looking at DIY instructions for a copper pipe J-pole yesterday. I may end up trying to build one of those for the house.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, skintner@...> wrote:

snip a lot of stuff>

Hello,I picked up an SMA >PL259 adapter and connected my BaoFeng UV5R to mytuned 2 meter J-pole and have talked via a repeater 50 miles away. I don'tknow what the 6db gain of the j-pole does to the effective radiated powerof the little radio, but a 50 mile jaunt over the Selkirk mountains ispretty damned good for a $40 dollar hand held.

Just my .02

steveWA7SK







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#29699 Jun 20, 2013

I regularly talk 12 to 20 miles into a repeater on 2 meter with a rubber duck or 4 or 5 watt, and hear that if i put on the right antenna that 240 miles into the International Space Station is not unheard of....... (puts on white coat, goes to basement lab, complete with fog and jacob's ladder to build said antenna. ;P )

---Chad KC9YYE





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#29700 Jun 20, 2013

Chris,

I'm fortunate enough to live in AZ, where we actually have mountains (not just hills) that have repeaters on them for 2m, 220, 440, 900, 10m FM, etc.

I was down in Tucson, AZ a few months back in a little town called Summerhaven and worked my wife's friend Jane in Gilbert, AZ by accident (she just happened to be listening to my wife and I chat) on our 446 simplex frequency with a full-quieting signal, that's a ground distance of about 120-130 miles using just the stock duck on my UV-5R..

Of course it helped (a lot) that Summerhaven is on top of Mt. Lemmon, which is around 8,100 ft. above sea level, (the peak is around 9,100 ft.).. My point is that the repeaters on Mt. Lemmon (even higher up with more power and better antennas) can normally be worked in the Phoenix area (around 1,200 ft. elevation) with a handheld "if" you have a clear line of sight (LOS)..

LOS doesn't mean that you can actually physically see the repeater (I can't physically see Mt. Lemmon in Tucson from the Gilbert or Phoenix area where I live), but rather "if" you had a really good set of binoculars could you "see" the other side (from either end).. Depending on your area, like if I lived 200 miles away from the Rockies due east in the Plains (but I could still see the the mountain tops), you'd be able to easily work that repeater.. That assumes that your radio is working properly, your SWR isn't sky high, the sensitivity of the repeater is good, you have the correct PL or DCS code programmed, the RF pattern of the repeater isn't being blocked your direction, nothing's in the way to block or weaken your signal, etc., etc.



Around here only getting 20 to 25 miles on a repeater wouldn't be considered much, but I realize that we are spoiled (from a repeater coverage standpoint), but your taxes are lower in Texas so that helps make up for the lack of mountains (hi, hi).



Just don't make the mistake that a lot of new Techs do and think that your 5w radio (regardless of brand name) is equal to a 50 to 70w mobile or base radio with a good outdoor antenna 30 or 40 ft. above your roof.. Start patrolling the local hamfests and look for gear that you can add to your shack (in stages if you have to).. I picked up a mint Standard C5608A mobile radio a few weeks back for pennies on the dollar, which has one of the best stock front-ends I've ever seen on a radio (not that I really needed it, but gear is gear, right?).



Start with a decent outside antenna, feed it with some good coax (not the cheap lossy RG-58U Radio Shack junk), and plug it into a decent mobile/base rig.. If you have to use the lousy cheap coax (for now), try to make your coax run as short as possible to reduce your loss along the coax length.. VHF has less loss at 100 ft. vs. UHF, so don't be too surprised if you can work some folks easily on VHF but they tell you your signal to them is less on UHF.. Of course the signal strength on the Baofeng radios always shows 5 bars, so don't pay too much attention to that.. You'll be amazed how many stations/repeaters you can work (even in a flat area) once you get some RF into the air.



I used to have (at the old house) a Rohn 25 tower at 70 ft. with a 15 ft. pole (5 ft. inside the tower), attached to an 18 ft. long Diamond Dual-Band antenna, so the top of the antenna was 98 ft. above the ground.. Fed that with some Andrew 1/2" low-loss cable and could routinely work stations on VHF and UHF simplex (no repeaters) at distances of 120-150 miles on FM.. Not everybody mind you, but it was fun (sometimes) having folks come over to the shack to check out whether or not I was actually working folks or just talking to myself.. Once I installed dual Cushcraft beams just below the vertical I thought I'd died and gone to RF heaven (later on I added a KLM tribander for HF).



Of course my old station is nothing compared to what some folks have, but moving to a new house (and starting a new company) doesn't always leave lots of spare time to re-build the shack, but that day will come.. I must confess, however, that the HF bug has bitten me again so I'm spending what spare time I can find on 40 and 75m working DX instead of VHF and UHF like the old days, but that's the great thing about this hobby, you can enjoy the heck out of it on all kinds of different frequencies with all kinds of different gear at all kinds of different power levels and modes.



Got to go, time to check into the HamNation net on 40m.. Google "HamNation" for yourself and watch some of the shows, it will give you great ideas.

73,

Craig - N7LB







On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Christopher Coy coyimages@...> wrote:

.I know I'm hitting the one about 10 miles away because if I key up, as soon as I unkey I get some CW code back.



I'll have to check the other to make sure I've got it programmed correctly, but I'm pretty sure I've got it correct.



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" k3ukandy@...> wrote:

>

> I live about 5 miles from two repeaters at 1700 Ft and I reside at 800

> Feet, no hills between us. Lots of foliage though. My UV5R gets to these

> repeats with a rubber duck, but "just". With an external antenna like a

> vertical for 2M, 50 miles should be easy and 35 miles for VHF.

>

> Make sure the repeaters you are trying are programmed in with needed PL

> tones.

>

> Andy K3UK

>







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#29701 Jun 20, 2013

Google my call..�� kb1dig

Check out my Ham webpage.

The real trick for distance on 2-meters at low power is to build a collinear J-pole.����

On my webpage you'll find several designs with variations of this collinear configuration.

Co-phasing 2-meter elements will almost double your overall gain.

This can be accomplished easily by stacking either 1/2-wave or 5/8-wave elements.

The other benefits of do-it-yourself.�� These antennas are so affordable and cost-effective that they literally become cut-and-run in a real emergency situation when you find the need to bug-out in a hurry..

Steve Kb1dig

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#29702 Jun 20, 2013

My camp QTH is 20 miles north east of Wheeling WV. The elevation is 1400 the antenna is a jetstream JTB3B ��on a 12 foot mast with 60 feet of LMR400 back to the camper. the 5r hits a 2 meter repeater 70 miles away 8 miles south east of Pittsburgh, full quiet with 5 watts. I can talk on a 70 cm repeater all the way in Dery Pa at full power. I don't know for sure but the 70 cm repeater is at least 90 miles away. Both of these repeaters hear very well. The 2 meter is at a considerably lower elevation than the 70 cm. The antenna system is everything.If I changed the coax to RG8 I would be lucky to make it out of the campground. The same antenna system at home with an elevation of 1,031 feet yields the same results with repeaters at only 30 miles away. The ones that are farther out, not so much.So the second most important element is height of the antenna. Everyinch counts.

--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Christopher Coy coyimages@...> wrote:

From: Christopher Coy coyimages@...>Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 11:38 PM

��I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking, how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5 watts of power?



The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20 miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest buildings in downtown Houston.



My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of them was 30 miles N/NE of me.



So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that repeater, or they just didn't respond.



I also tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there hasn't been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I hear is the automated identifier from time to time.



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#29703 Jun 20, 2013

This is the one that I've been eyeing.



k0bet.com/jpole.html



How does your copper J Pole differ, if any?



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Steve Merrill kb1dig@...> wrote:

>

> Google my call.. kb1dig

>

> Check out my Ham webpage.

>

> The real trick for distance on 2-meters at low power is to build a collinear J-pole.

>

> On my webpage you'll find several designs with variations of this collinear configuration.

>

> Co-phasing 2-meter elements will almost double your overall gain.

>

> This can be accomplished easily by stacking either 1/2-wave or 5/8-wave elements.

>

> The other benefits of do-it-yourself. These antennas are so affordable and cost-effective that they literally become cut-and-run in a real emergency situation when you find the need to bug-out in a hurry..

>

> Steve Kb1dig



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#29704 Jun 20, 2013

All good but by no means definitive,I have seen where height became restrictive (impractical) and accessed repeaters 70 miles away from 10 feet antenna height.At first I went higher and higher with no luckHeight is but one factor to consider in any installationCheers

Lyndsay



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#29707 Jun 20, 2013

One thing to consider, you can be just weak enough that you will be able tokey the repeater, but your signal will be so far down into the noise that you.llnot be heard.��So, if you can bring up the machine, good, but it might be helpful to copydown a couple of the call signs you.re hearing, look them up on QRZ and contactthem either vial email or by a phone call and try to set up a schedule.��That way you remove the possibility that people closer to the machine arestepping on you .cause they don.t hear you, covering up your attempts to getinto the conversation.��Normally if you have the pl tone programmed correctly and if you havesufficient signal, you will key the machine.�� Since the tone squelch islooking for a specific signal, and has a very narrow bandpass, it has asensitivity greater than the rest of the repeater.s audio system.�� Don.tthink it possible, Google PSK31.�� I.ve seen it where your ear would nothear the signal from the receiver.s speaker, but the PSK decoder does.��Now, on another note, I.m seeing some awfully inflated gain figures for.J.poles here.�� It.s a half wave, dog-gone-it, same gain as a dipole - zerodB.�� Or 2.1 dB if you.re measuring it against the mystical IsotropicRadiator, the radiating dot in the sky that transmits with equal strength in alldirections. (Purely a mathematical model, doesn.t exist in nature.)��Now, a collinear .J.pole made of a pair of half waves, is good for a bitover 2dB, a pair of five eights wave elements, is a measured 3bB.��I.ve had one up since .94, no, not eighteen ninety-four - a pair of 5/8thwaves fed with 450 ohm ladder line, a 300 ohm .Q.section, a four to one coaxialbalun and a few feet of RG58 to the radio.�� Why? .Cause I had the ladderline handy and it is about the lowest loss way to get signal to theantenna.��BTW, I.m taking all the numbers from ARRL publications.��Stan��From: Christopher CoySent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:50 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?







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#29709 Jun 20, 2013

Some good J-pole information at this link:



www.packetradio.com/jpoles4ever.htm



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#29710 Jun 20, 2013

Power is generally the LEAST significant factor in range at VHF and UHF. A

clear line of sight is the MOST significant factor. In practical terms,

antenna height is usually what contributes most to having a clear line of

sight.



If you are getting a clear solid signal from a repeater, with no noticeable

background noise ("full quieting"), then you have a good chance of being

able to operate through that repeater with the 4-5 W output of this radio on

High power using even the stock rubber duck antenna. Using a better rubber

duck would improve your chances.



If the people you were listening to were using a repeater, then they could

probably hear you _IF_ you have the frequency and tone both set properly.

If they were talking on a simplex frequency, it is much less certain that

they would hear you.



One reality of life is that NOT ALL hams are interested in talking to random

strangers. Most will at least acknowledge a call made in accordance with

local customs, but there are always a few who will just ignore someone they

don't know.



Local customs vary quite a bit from place to place, and even from one

repeater to another within the same city. This is one reason why it is good

to listen to your local repeaters for a while before trying to get on the

air.



If the people you were listening to were using a repeater, are you SURE that

you have all the settings correct on your radio? Since you were hearing

the people, you obviously either the Rx Tone either OFF or set to the

correct tone; but are you sure that you have the Tx Tone set properly? Were

you using a memory channel or a VFO? If you were using a memory channel,

did you program it using software or from the keyboard? If programmed from

the keyboard, did you save the receive frequency first THEN change to the

transmit frequency and save it to the same channel?? Clearly you have the

correct receive frequency, but are you sure that you have the correct

transmit frequency programmed? If you are using the VFO, do you have the

offset and offset direction both set correctly?



-----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Coy

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 19:38 PM

To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?



I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking,

how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5

watts of power?



The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I

don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting

anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further

away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20

miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest

buildings in downtown Houston.



My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I

did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There

were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of

them was 30 miles N/NE of me.



So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that

repeater, or they just didn't respond.



I also tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there hasn't

been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I hear is

the automated identifier from time to time.











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.

USER GUIDE: www.miklor.com/uv5r/UserGuide

.

UV-5R FAQ: www.miklor.com/uv5r/FAQ

.Yahoo! Groups Links



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#29711 Jun 20, 2013

An Extra class ham didn't just say that, did he?



-----Original Message-----

From: skintner@...



I don't know what the 6db gain of the j-pole does to the effective radiated

power of the little radio,



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#29712 Jun 20, 2013

-----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Coy

> Yesterday I plugged in the supplied ext mic and

> over the ear headphone. I listened to the

> repeater while I mowed the yard, and then

> removed the ext mic last night. I'm wondering

> if perhaps I am a victim of the unclosed circuit

> issue with ext mic's?



That's possible. It is easy enough to check if you have any other radio

available or know anyone with another radio who can listen to your signal.

> When I use the PTT button now, it goes

> into TX mode, and says that I'm TX'ing though.



That doesn't necessarily guarantee that you have any audio on your output

> I'll have to try and make a simplex contact

> tomorrow morning.



That's the simplest way to check your signal.



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#29713 Jun 20, 2013

A copper pipe J-pole can be an interesting DIY project. Depending on the

local price of copper pipe and whether or not you already have the tools

needed, it might be just as cheap to buy a ready-made J-pole or Slim Jim.

Personally I'm fond of the N9TAX Slim Jim (partly because it is also

portable) but a copper pipe J-pole can be excellent as a fixed antenna for

the home.



-----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Coy



I was looking at DIY instructions for a copper pipe J-pole yesterday. I may

end up trying to build one of those for the house.







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#29715 Jun 20, 2013

I'm pretty sure that all of the frequencies that are programmed now are all done properly. I used the flow chart that Jim posted yesterday or day before, and I completed each step for each frequency that I've programmed - even if the setting hadn't changed.



The repeater that I tried to contact today is a local repeater that seems to be used by the same group of people, so maybe they just didn't want to talk to me.



Either way, I'm going to check my frequencies, check my mic, and make some more attempts tomorrow. I've killed my radio for tonight... it wont even turn on anymore, and I have no charger with me!

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Xaun Loc" xaunloc@...> wrote:

> If you were using a memory channel,

> did you program it using software or from the keyboard? If programmed from

> the keyboard, did you save the receive frequency first THEN change to the

> transmit frequency and save it to the same channel?? Clearly you have the

> correct receive frequency, but are you sure that you have the correct

> transmit frequency programmed? If you are using the VFO, do you have the

> offset and offset direction both set correctly?



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#29716 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Xaun Loc" xaunloc@...> wrote: >

> A copper pipe J-pole can be an interesting DIY project. Depending on the

> local price of copper pipe and whether or not you already have the tools

> needed, it might be just as cheap to buy a ready-made J-pole or Slim Jim.

>







I was just looking at www.jpole-antenna.com/



He sells a ready made copper tube J Pole for $32, so I may end up going that route, unless I just want the glory of building my own - I'm just short of the tools and would have to buy them too.



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#29718 Jun 20, 2013

This is a problem that must be addressed and fixed.�� I have seen tworadios do this too.�� The first one same as you the second after programmingwith the cable.��The Mic jack connection plug middle section is supposed to close.�� Theplug opens the jack to connect into the circuit when removed the jack closesconnecting the Mic in circuit.��The problem is the jack contacts stay stuck open.���� Looking downthe jack hole and comparing it with one that still works (with a magnifier +light) shows no obstructions.����The jacks are a sealed unit, so opening up the radio will only lead to thesealed jack plugs.�� So far the only solution is to replace the jack plugs,here is a link for them.�� Only the Mic��jack plug needs replaced.�� www.409shop.com/409shop_product.php?id=104634��I have compared the prongs on the cables to see if there is a defect in thesizes causing this problem.�� The plugs on both programming cables andExt/Mic are the same when compared to others.��It is very possible that there is a QC issue with these jack hole plugsthat is now starting to appear in the radios.��Once I get in my hole plugs in I will remove the old plug and try to cutapart the sealed bad plug assembly to see what is causing this mechanicalfailure.����If anyone can beat me to this, I welcome their input on thismatter.��������www.409shop.com/409shop_product.php?id=104634��I feel this issue will become a major one for those doinga large amount of programming changes or those that often switch betweenExt/Mic/Spkr��������From: Christopher CoySent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:32 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29720 Jun 20, 2013

Please note that I was commenting on a POSSIBLE problem. I have not confirmed that it is in fact an issue yet. My radio may be fine.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "R Pryor MAEd CETsr" doopsnoop@...> wrote:

>

> This is a problem that must be addressed and fixed. I have seen two radios do this too. The first one same as you the second after programming with the cable.

>



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#29722 Jun 20, 2013

One of the biggest fallacies I have encountered with my students�� aretheir comparisons of Ham radios to the known GMRS bubble-pack radios.��Most of these advertise 29-mile ranges ++.�� So they are under theassumption that these radios should at least double or triple these advertisedranges in simplex mode.��This is the first question most seem to ask.����������From: Craig CarnahanSent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:04 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29723 Jun 20, 2013

That looks like a good copper pipe J-pole. On the other hand, his J-pole

antennas are single band antennas (either 2M _or_ 70cm). You might look at

the N9TAX Slim Jim www.n9tax.com/ which is a dual band design.

There are other dual band J-pole and Slim Jim designs available on the web.



-----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Coy

I was just looking at www.jpole-antenna.com/



He sells a ready made copper tube J Pole for $32, so I may end up going that

route, unless I just want the glory of building my own - I'm just short of

the tools and would have to buy them too.



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#29724 Jun 20, 2013

Yea, well. I.ve already tried googling .learning to solder. but figured it would eventually come up here. ��Have never attempted soldering to tubing, but I can crudely join two 12ga wires, if I.m lucky. ��I.ve either used an iron or a Weller gun. ��Where would I start at learning how to solder? ��Good chance I was looking at the same antenna as Christopher. ��Mike EarlsTSRA Life MemberNRA Benefactor Member

��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skintner@...Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:40 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?







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#29726 Jun 20, 2013

Soldering copper pipe is very different from soldering typical electronic

gear together. You can probably find a book about soldering copper pipe at

your local home supply or plumbing supply store such as Lowes or Home Depot.



One good thing about soldering together a J-pole is that you don't need to

get every joint 100% water tight.





From: Michael D Earls

Yea, well. I.ve already tried googling .learning to solder. but figured it

would eventually come up here.

Have never attempted soldering to tubing, but I can crudely join two 12ga

wires, if I.m lucky.

I.ve either used an iron or a Weller gun.

Where would I start at learning how to solder?

Good chance I was looking at the same antenna as Christopher.



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#29727 Jun 20, 2013

I hope this helps.�� www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHQ0WCDlFI����



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#29728 Jun 20, 2013

Hopefully, you have no problem but this problem is starting to surface withradios only a few weeks old.��The symptoms you describe are exactly the same.����1. The radio will key and go into transmit2.�� No audio in the carrier3. Problem surfaced after programming or using the ext/spkr-mic.������������������From: Christopher CoySent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:11 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29729 Jun 20, 2013

Hi

I can easily get into repeaters around 30 miles away on its rubber duck on my Baofengs. (I also have an old Alinco DJ 41 with 340mw which makes the trip too)

On my external antenna I can get into a repeater 85 miles away on 4 watts (sea bound direction)



It's amazing how far a little bit of RF can go!



Regards

Steve G7EIA



--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" k3ukandy@...> wrote:

>

> I live about 5 miles from two repeaters at 1700 Ft and I reside at 800

> Feet, no hills between us. Lots of foliage though. My UV5R gets to these

> repeats with a rubber duck, but "just". With an external antenna like a

> vertical for 2M, 50 miles should be easy and 35 miles for VHF.

>

> Make sure the repeaters you are trying are programmed in with needed PL

> tones.

>

> Andy K3UK

>

>

> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Christopher Coy coyimages@...>wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking,

> > how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5

> > watts of power?

> >

> > The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I

> > don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting

> > anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further

> > away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20

> > miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest

> > buildings in downtown Houston.

> >

> > My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I

> > did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There

> > were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of

> > them was 30 miles N/NE of me.

> >

> > So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that

> > repeater, or they just didn't respond.

> >

> > I also tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there

> > hasn't been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I

> > hear is the automated identifier from time to time.

> >

> >

> >

>



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#29730 Jun 20, 2013

Steve,

20 miles northeast of Wheeling, WV puts you very near my old stomping grounds of Weirton (we used to camp as kids out at Tappan Lake near Cadiz).. Fond memories of that area.



Craig - N7LB



On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Steve - W3SLL w3sll@...> wrote:

. My camp QTH is 20 miles north east of Wheeling WV. The elevation is 1400 the antenna is a jetstream JTB3B .on a 12 foot mast with 60 feet of LMR400 back to the camper. the 5r hits a 2 meter repeater 70 miles away 8 miles south east of Pittsburgh, full quiet with 5 watts. I can talk on a 70 cm repeater all the way in Dery Pa at full power. I don't know for sure but the 70 cm repeater is at least 90 miles away. Both of these repeaters hear very well. The 2 meter is at a considerably lower elevation than the 70 cm. The antenna system is everything.If I changed the coax to RG8 I would be lucky to make it out of the campground. The same antenna system at home with an elevation of 1,031 feet yields the same results with repeaters at only 30 miles away. The ones that are farther out, not so much.So the second most important element is height of the antenna. Everyinch counts.

--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Christopher Coy coyimages@...> wrote:

From: Christopher Coy coyimages@...>Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 11:38 PM

.I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking, how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5 watts of power?



The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20 miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest buildings in downtown Houston.

My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of them was 30 miles N/NE of me.

So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that repeater, or they just didn't respond.



I also tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there hasn't been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I hear is the automated identifier from time to time.







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#29731 Jun 20, 2013

Watched and bookmarked! Thanks. ��Mike EarlsTSRA Life MemberNRA Benefactor Member

��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of glenaldrich@...Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:40 AMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29736 Jun 20, 2013

Back in the mid 90's I had built a Slim Jim J-Pole.�� Google it.�� Pretty much the same concept and worked excellent.�� The cool part about the slim jim is you can roll it up and through it in your pack pack a lot easier than a regular J-pole





From: Christopher Coy coyimages@...> To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:44 PM Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?

��This is the one that I've been eyeing.



k0bet.com/jpole.html



How does your copper J Pole differ, if any?

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Steve Merrill kb1dig@...> wrote:

>

> Google my call.. kb1dig

>

> Check out my Ham webpage.

>

> The real trick for distance on 2-meters at low power is to build a collinear J-pole.

>

> On my webpage you'll find several designs with variations of this collinear configuration.

>

> Co-phasing 2-meter elements will almost double your overall gain.

>

> This can be accomplished easily by stacking either 1/2-wave or 5/8-wave elements.

>

> The other benefits of do-it-yourself. These antennas are so affordable and cost-effective that they literally become cut-and-run in a real emergency situation when you find the need to bug-out in a hurry..

>

> Steve Kb1dig



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#29737 Jun 20, 2013

With a little practice you can make some nice looking joints but fortunately it is not that important for making a j pole����



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#29739 Jun 20, 2013

The camp is on the PA side in West Finley. Are you familuar with 4 Seasons? There are places in the campground with an elevation��of 1500 plus feet with a clear shot into the horizon. Its a great place to camp with an HT by your side.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Craig Carnahan craig.n7lb@...> wrote:

From: Craig Carnahan craig.n7lb@...>Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 6:14 AM

��Steve,

20 miles northeast of Wheeling, WV puts you very near my old stomping grounds of Weirton (we used to camp as kids out at Tappan Lake near Cadiz).�� Fond memories of that area.

Craig - N7LB



On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Steve - W3SLL w3sll@...> wrote:�� My camp QTH is 20 miles north east of Wheeling WV. The elevation is 1400 the antenna is a jetstream JTB3B ��on a 12 foot mast with 60 feet of LMR400 back to the camper. the 5r hits a 2 meter repeater 70 miles away 8 miles south east of Pittsburgh, full quiet with 5 watts. I can talk on a 70 cm repeater all the way in Dery Pa at full power. I don't know for sure but the 70 cm repeater is at least 90 miles away. Both of these repeaters hear very well. The 2 meter is at a considerably lower elevation than the 70 cm. The antenna system is everything.If I changed the coax to RG8 I would be lucky to make it out of the campground. The same antenna system at home with an elevation of 1,031 feet yields the same results with repeaters at only 30 miles away. The ones that are farther out, not so much.So the second most important element is height of the antenna. Every inch counts.

--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Christopher Coy coyimages@...> wrote:

From: Christopher Coy coyimages@...>Subject: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 11:38 PM

��I know that there are other factors involved, but theoretically speaking, how far should you be able to transmit on these little radios at 4 to 5 watts of power?

The reason that I ask is that I'm picking up all kinds of repeaters, but I don't know that I am getting out. I realize that repeaters are broadcasting anywhere from 25w-100w of power so I'm going to receive them much further away than I will be able to transmit. The most active repeater is about 20 miles away from my home. Its located at 1100' on top of one of the tallest buildings in downtown Houston.

My call sign was FINALLY assigned today around 3pm, and the first thing I did was stand out in the middle of my yard to try and make a contact. There were folks talking, but I don't think they were hearing me. I know one of them was 30 miles N/NE of me.

So I'm either grossly mistaken in my assumption that I can reach that repeater, or they just didn't respond.

Ialso tried another repeater that was about 10 miles away, but there hasn't been any activity on that one either in a few days. The only thing I hear is the automated identifier from time to time.



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#29740 Jun 20, 2013

In my experience, a horizontal dipole acts just the way you��discribe. I can't say that I ever had a vertical that performed better at a lower height but in some cases I suppose it can happen. When it comes to radio I am not sure how much of it is actually definitive. From the same location I had a simplex contact with a station aboard a cesna at 5000 feet clear out over Johnstown. This is somewhere around 130 miles��away. With the same 5 watts��he didn't lose me��until he was near Altoona.��What didn't surprise me was that I could still hear him.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, wombatsone wombatsone@...> wrote:

From: wombatsone wombatsone@...>Subject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?To: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 1:46 AM

��All good but by no means definitive,I have seen where height became restrictive (impractical) and accessed repeaters 70 miles away from 10 feet antenna height.At first I went higher and higher with no luckHeight is but one factor to consider in any installationCheers

Lyndsay



Sent from Samsung Mobile







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#29742 Jun 20, 2013

Just browsing at Lowes.com, I see what appear to be straight sections of .. Is this used or coiled tubing? ��Mike EarlsTSRA Life MemberNRA Benefactor Member

��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of glenaldrich@...Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:19 AMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29743 Jun 20, 2013

No, you.ll want straight lengths of tubing, and a tubing cutter, makes anicer, easier cut than a saw.��Stan����From: Michael D EarlsSent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:54 AMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29745 Jun 20, 2013

Steve:

Great web page.. Lots of interesting information. .Also really liked the intermission session. ��Thanks,

Bruce (KU1Y) ��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve MerrillSent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:28 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29750 Jun 20, 2013

To clarify, you need to learn how to "sweat" copper tubing... it's a

plumbing technique. In your case it might be easier to just buy a J-pole

ready made.



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#29752 Jun 20, 2013

Personally I find utilizing PVC tubing and copper wire becomes far more cost-effective then buying copper tubing. Big$$$.. Either or will render you pretty much the same results.��

Building your own antenna is quite rewarding.��

If you do go to copper tubing route I would suggest inserting a wooden dowel up inside the tubing for reinforcement.�� This will considerably strengthen the antenna overall...especially for high wind situations...

Steve kb1dig

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



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#29753 Jun 20, 2013

From:JamesConnelly



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#29755 Jun 20, 2013

.>YOu might think about making a Jpole out of 300 ohmtwinlead.You can hang it inside, or put it in a PVC pipe foroutdoor use.If you need to take one with you just roll it up,and go.��73 Angelo N2DYN��----- Original Message -----From:MichaelD EarlsTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:22AMSubject: RE: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How faron 5w?

��Yea, well. I.ve already triedgoogling .learning to solder. but figured it would eventually come uphere.

Have never attempted solderingto tubing, but I can crudely join two 12ga wires, if I.mlucky.

I.ve either used an iron or aWeller gun.

Where would I start atlearning how to solder?

Good chance I was looking atthe same antenna as Christopher.

Mike EarlsTSRA LifeMemberNRA BenefactorMember

From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com[mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Ofskintner@...Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:40PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re:[baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29756 Jun 20, 2013

Well, I've been able to confirm three things.



1. There is no issue with my mic, it's working just fine.

2. I've been able to successfully program my radio.

3. Either the radio, or my location, or my antenna height sucks.



I found the Saltgrass repeater system last night, and located the nearest repeater to my residence. It's a 2m repeater located just about 14 miles from here according to repeaterbook.com



Just a minute ago, I tuned into the Saltgrass repeater system via the 5-0 Radio app on my iPhone. This would tell me whether I was getting out, as the 30 second lag time would allow me to hear myself.



To my surprise I actually lit up the repeater, but my signal was scratchy and FULL of noise. One person tried to answer me, but she couldn't understand me enough to know my full call sign, she only caught half. Listening through the app, I understood myself, but then again I knew what I was saying.



I'm using the Nagoya 771 SMA-F antenna as well. I took it off, and tried the stock antenna and verified that it did in fact suck. The signal was worse than the first.



So I guess I'll have to look into that J pole in order to get a little reach. Or stick to the repeaters that are with a couple miles of here, but they are dead nearly all the time.



For reference, the repeater is 14 miles NW of me, and this was my view in that direction.



i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo206/PouletsDeCajun/2e6811aa78f0f5985d159e4b51999da6_zps0e7dd37c.jpg





Chris



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#29757 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Michael D Earls" mikeearls@...> wrote: >

> Yea, well. I...ve already tried googling ...learning to solder... but figured it would eventually come up here.

>

>

>

> Have never attempted soldering to tubing, but I can crudely join two 12ga wires, if I...m lucky.

>

>

>

> I...ve either used an iron or a Weller gun.

>

>

>

> Where would I start at learning how to solder?

>

>

>

> Good chance I was looking at the same antenna as Christopher.

>

>

>

> Mike Earls

>

> TSRA Life Member

>

> NRA Benefactor Member

>

>



Soldering copper tubing, to make a J-Pole or Slim Jim requires a torch, such as a Benzomatic plumbers torch. This just screwes onto the gas bottle, light it up, let her rip. You may be able to rent or borrow one.



DO NOT use acid flux, that is, soldering paste used for plumbing. Use regular electronics type flux and lead-tin solder. Get someone familiar with soldering copper water pipes to show you how or look up on Youtube. This is a little different from soldering circuit boards. It is more like soldering on brass musical instruments... no, it is the same as that.



Paul - AE5JU







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#29759 Jun 20, 2013

Paul, why not use plumbing flux?I���m curious���. ��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tenorman1952Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:56 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29760 Jun 20, 2013

.>I put together a three element yagii tape measureantenna for 2 meters, and it plays very well.You can fold it up and you are on yourway.��----- Original Message -----From:Steve - W3SLLTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:44AMSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on5w?

�� In my experience, a horizontal dipole acts just the wayyou��discribe. I can't say that I ever had a vertical that performedbetter at a lower height but in some cases I suppose it can happen. Whenit comes to radio I am not sure how much of it is actually definitive.From the same location I had a simplex contact with a station aboard acesna at 5000 feet clear out over Johnstown. This is somewhere around130 miles��away. With the same 5 watts��he didn't loseme��until he was near Altoona.��What didn't surprise me was thatI could still hear him.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, wombatsonewombatsone@...> wrote:

From:wombatsone wombatsone@...>Subject: Re:[baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?To:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 1:46AM

��All good but by no means definitive,I have seen where height became restrictive (impractical) andaccessed repeaters 70 miles away from 10 feet antenna height.At first I went higher and higher with no luckHeight is but one factor to consider in any installationCheers

Lyndsay



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#29763 Jun 20, 2013

A quick-n-dirty ground plane antenna is easy to make with 5 pieces of 1/4 wavelength wire and a panel-mount coax jack. .I made one for 900, works great (can hit repeaters within 25 mi w/out problem).

IMHO, a 1/4 wave ground plane is easier to build and tune then a copper pipe J-pole.



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#29764 Jun 20, 2013

If you are attempting to access the repeater from home, have you tried going

upstairs? Sometimes even a small move will make a lot of difference, but

the extra 10' or so from going upstairs should help a lot.



If going upstairs gets you into the repeater, then you can be pretty sure

that some sort of roof mounted antenna will solve your problem reaching the

repeater.



Unfortunately, with this radio, sometimes a "better" antenna also produces

new problems of its own due to this radio's susceptibility to intermod and

front-end overload from other nearby signals on completely different

frequencies (such as paging systems) which may make listening to the radio

difficult due to frequent static.



Since you can reach the repeater poorly with a NA-771 then you ought to be

able to reach it quite well with either a 1/4 wave ground plane or any of

the j-pole or slim jim antennas. Even a NA-777 MIGHT make enough difference

to let you use that repeater.





-----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Coy



Well, I've been able to confirm three things.



1. There is no issue with my mic, it's working just fine.

2. I've been able to successfully program my radio.

3. Either the radio, or my location, or my antenna height sucks.



I found the Saltgrass repeater system last night, and located the nearest

repeater to my residence. It's a 2m repeater located just about 14 miles

from here according to repeaterbook.com



Just a minute ago, I tuned into the Saltgrass repeater system via the 5-0

Radio app on my iPhone. This would tell me whether I was getting out, as the

30 second lag time would allow me to hear myself.



To my surprise I actually lit up the repeater, but my signal was scratchy

and FULL of noise. One person tried to answer me, but she couldn't

understand me enough to know my full call sign, she only caught half.

Listening through the app, I understood myself, but then again I knew what I

was saying.



I'm using the Nagoya 771 SMA-F antenna as well. I took it off, and tried the

stock antenna and verified that it did in fact suck. The signal was worse

than the first.



So I guess I'll have to look into that J pole in order to get a little

reach. Or stick to the repeaters that are with a couple miles of here, but

they are dead nearly all the time.



For reference, the repeater is 14 miles NW of me, and this was my view in

that direction.



i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo206/PouletsDeCajun/2e6811aa78f0f5985d159e4b51999da6_zps0e7dd37c.jpg



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#29766 Jun 20, 2013

Check out Arrow Antennas.�� They have an inexpensive solid aluminumDUAL-BAND j-pole that gets rave reviews.



www.arrowantennas.com/osj/j-pole.html







On 6/19/2013 11:49 PM, Christopher Coy wrote:



��

I was just looking at www.jpole-antenna.com/



He sells a ready made copper tube J Pole for $32, so I mayend up going that route, unless I just want the glory ofbuilding my own - I'm just short of the tools and wouldhave to buy them too.



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#29767 Jun 20, 2013

Chris,��Go here�� itouchmap.com/latlong.html��Send your exact long/lat and lets see if there is a closer repeater fromyour AO to test.��I will look it up and post some other options to run another test.������From: Christopher CoySent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:51 AMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?







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#29770 Jun 20, 2013

Straight. One 10' length and fittings should make a 2 meter Slim Jim.

There are often two weights of copper "pipe." The cheaper lighter weight is

good for a Slim Jim. Someone suggested stuffing a dowel in the copper

tubing. I doubt that will help much with a copper tubing Slim Jim. Now I

am looking at 1.5" round stock to stiffen 1.5" PVC for my mast.



OTOH: almost anything can be used for a Slim Jim, 300 ohm twin lead from

your old TV, 24 to 10 gauge copper wire taped to the outside of a dowel or

fiberglass pole, and so on.



Bruce W.



KV4OE



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----- Original Message -----



From: "Michael D Earls"



Just browsing at Lowes.com, I see what appear to be straight sections of ..

Is this used or coiled tubing?





Mike Earls

TSRA Life Member

NRA Benefactor Member



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#29773 Jun 20, 2013

Those that want to buy one already made or look at a design go here:��www.2wayelectronix.com/Dual-band-2m-70cm-Slim-Jim-Antenna-with-16-rg-58-dual-slim-16.htm?productId=4��Good price and performance.��If running this to something like the UV5- be sure to get a SMA pigtail andthen match the end to the SlimJim.�� This is for stress relief as SMA or anyANT connector on a HT will be under a lot of stress as you move the HT aroundduring operation.�� This will extend the life expectancy of the theUV5.s�� ant connector.����I like this style as it can be rolled up in a car trunk, boxed or carriedin a backpack easily for hiking and camping trips where the rigid pipe versionsmight be harder to carry on outings.��������From: Black WolfeSent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:13 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29780 Jun 20, 2013

I appreciate all of the good suggestions and comments. I haven.t responded to most, but am saving the messages and bookmarking all of the links for when I have time to digest.

I.m still a week from getting my call sign and my 5R was delivered today, but haven.t been able to retrieve the package, yet.

My priorities are first, a better HT antenna and then probably a mobile magnet mount. I ordered the ExpertPower 7.56 with the radio and I had previously bought a Diamond RH77CA (BNC) to improve 2m reception on my PRO-106 scanner. It could be used if I buy either the one piece adapter or an HT saver with the proper fittings. ��Due to my very limited mobility and being alone, any antenna requiring installation or even being any length might be problematic. For that reasons, the suggestions involving flexible construction (300 ohm lead, etc) will be seriously considered.

Sadly, I have a no longer used homemade, breakover tower that 40 years ago, held a Moonraker 4 on a Ham II rotor about 35. high. I was living closer to it then, as it would now require at least 200. of coax, where it once took only 100. of RG-8. The guy wires rusted away long ago, but it still survived all of the hurricanes since. Unlikely it will ever see service again due to its distance and my condition. Too many tree limbs around house to affix most antennas to perimeter of house.

I did want to let everyone know that the suggestions are definitely appreciated.

Also, I see from the replies that some email clients are showing extra blank lines. I apologize as this appears to be an issue with Outlook (2010, not former Hotmail). Hitting enter also inserts a paragraph break in addition to line break. The only remedy I.ve been able to find is to use Shift-Enter wherever I would have just used Enter. I.m trying, but old habits die hard. ��Mike EarlsTSRA Life MemberNRA Benefactor Member

��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of R Pryor MAEd CETsrSent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:48 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29782 Jun 20, 2013

Right Chris, this is the point I was trying to make for folksnew to this aspect of the hobby.�� ��Many times your signal will be sufficient to key up arepeater, but if the signal is too far down into the noise, you.ll experienceexactly this result.��We once had a repeater in the area equipped with a feedbacksystem, I think it actually sent back a signal report in Morse. Gave instantgratification... or not. ��You turned on and off with a number from your touchpad.��Stan����From: Christopher CoySent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:51 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?��Well, I've been able to confirm three things.1. There is no issue with mymic, it's working just fine.2. I've been able to successfully program myradio.3. Either the radio, or my location, or my antenna height sucks.I found the Saltgrass repeater system last night, and located the nearestrepeater to my residence. It's a 2m repeater located just about 14 miles fromhere according to repeaterbook.comJust a minute ago, I tuned into theSaltgrass repeater system via the 5-0 Radio app on my iPhone. This would tell mewhether I was getting out, as the 30 second lag time would allow me to hearmyself.To my surprise I actually lit up the repeater, but my signal wasscratchy and FULL of noise. One person tried to answer me, but she couldn'tunderstand me enough to know my full call sign, she only caught half. Listeningthrough the app, I understood myself, but then again I knew what I wassaying.I'm using the Nagoya 771 SMA-F antenna as well. I took it off, andtried the stock antenna and verified that it did in fact suck. The signal wasworse than the first.So I guess I'll have to look into that J pole in orderto get a little reach. Or stick to the repeaters that are with a couple miles ofhere, but they are dead nearly all thetime.

Chris







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#29784 Jun 20, 2013

Also, for longest lasting results, use the new potable water solder (95-5),not the old 50-50 or 60-40 lead tin stuff. No it.s not a pollution issue, thenew solder is about three times as strong as the old lead tin formulas.��I.ve have up a 2 meter extended zep .J.pole which stands about ten feettall (a pair of 5/8ths wave elements collinear)�� Been up since 1994. In theNortheast we see some pretty good blows, Sandy, the gal before her and... was itFloyd... I forget. But the antenna is still solid, no loose joints rocking inthe wind.��A word to the wise...��Stan��From: tenorman1952Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:56 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29785 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Z. Johnson" lists@...> wrote: >

> Paul, why not use plumbing flux?

>

> I'm curious..

>

>



Well, you can, but just clean it well. Really well. And you don't want acid flux around electrical/electronic connections, so do all that with rosin flux and real solder.



Another thing to keep away from electronics, any silicone sealer/caulk that has an acetic acid (vinegar) smell. Seal up some gear with that, open it a month later and everything is corroded. There are many good sealers that won't do this.



Pro Tip... go to Walmart craft department, Michael's, Hobby Lobby, other craft/hobby shops, and find either E6000 (by Eclectic Products) or Aleene's Platinum Bond 7800. For the E6000 make sure you get the clear, not white.



This is a great sealant and adhesive for electronics. I use it for gluing large capacitors and inductors in the custom speaker crossovers I build, stabilizing large filter capacitors in place on circuit boards, mic elements, and other places where you want to glue dissimilar materials.



They are both of the SBR class of adhesives - Styrene Butadyene Rubber, and are actually made in the same factory as Seal All and Shoe Goo. These materials have differing viscosities depending on how much solvent is used.



You will find 7800 slightly thinner than E6000. Seal All is much too thin for any of my applications.



Experiment, see what they do. You'll want to keep some on your work bench at all times. Better than epoxy in many cases due to the slight flexibility of the dried glue.



Paul - AE5JU



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#29786 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Greg Ames tga@...> wrote: >

> A quick-n-dirty ground plane antenna is easy to make with 5 pieces of 1/4

> wavelength wire and a panel-mount coax jack. I made one for 900, works

> great (can hit repeaters within 25 mi w/out problem).

>

> IMHO, a 1/4 wave ground plane is easier to build and tune then a copper

> pipe J-pole.

>

>



Here's how.



www.hamuniverse.com/2metergp.html



And many more 2m and 440 antennas here (just keep scrolling down):



www.hamuniverse.com/antennas.html



These are all practical, easy to build antennas.



Don't forget to weatherproof your coax connection.



k9zw.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/guest-post-weatherproofing-antenna-coax-by-paul-ae5ju/



Paul - AE5JU



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#29787 Jun 20, 2013

To answer a question about which flux to use, Acid flux, typically found asthe core of the old plumber.s solder, or in his bag if he.s using solid core,remains corrosive after the solder has cooled and needs to be removed.��A plumber would usually just wipe off the outside and the water flowingthrough the pipe would clean out the rest.��Unless you.re willing to flush out the inside of the tubing, and sometimesyou can.t, the non-corrosive is the best choice.��However, since it is not as chemically active, you.ll need to be a bit morethorough in precleaning the joints.��And another thought on the grades of copper tubing, .L. and .M..�� Thethinner is used for hot water heating, the max pressure is limited to 15 pounds,the wall is thin.The other, thicker stuff, is for the potable water systems, 60 pounds pluspressure.��I like to use the thicker stuff for the lower half of a taller antenna, thethinner for the upper half, for both weight and cost reasons. But, YMMV, I.mprobably over thinking it.��But it must work, see my post describing the Double Extended Zep .J.��Stan��From: Angelo SonnessoSent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:03 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] How far on 5w?



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#29788 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Stan Labinsky Jr." k2stn@...> wrote: >

> Right Chris, this is the point I was trying to make for folks new to this aspect of the hobby.

>

> Many times your signal will be sufficient to key up a repeater, but if the signal is too far down into the noise, you...ll experience exactly this result.

>

> We once had a repeater in the area equipped with a feedback system, I think it actually sent back a signal report in Morse. Gave instant gratification... or not. You turned on and off with a number from your touchpad.

>

> Stan









Well it's getting highly frustrating. All of the repeaters within a mile or two of my home are D-E-A-D dead. I haven't heard any traffic on them in a week, except for one 5 minute "net".



What's really frustrating is while listening to the Saltgrass system last night, I overheard a 14 year old boy use his 5RA in Lubbock Texas, connect to Victoria Austrailia via an IRLP link..... And I can't make it out of my back yard!! He was lucky enough to have his first contact be in Aust. as he had just received his license the day before.



I realize he probably lives closer to the repeater than I do, but still, it's HIGHLY frustrating to hear all the traffic and not be able to join in!



I'm going to try the copper J Pole on the roof, and perhaps an external antenna on my Jeep, but if that doesn't work I'm trashing the 5RA's and will start looking for a full mobile rig.







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#29790 Jun 20, 2013

Excellent points Paul, keep them coming!��Question, where might these sealers be found, mail order or at the big boxstores? I don.t remember seeing those brand names.��Stan��From: tenorman1952Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:16 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29791 Jun 20, 2013

We have the same here, some machines talk long others are silent... andwhich ones are busy change from time to time.��I.d not trash the hand held (if you.re really serious, I.ll make you anoffer).�� The mobile will make a good .addition. to your station.��For the longest time I ran an Icom Ic 2AT, yes, I.m old and I still haveit, it.s unkillable!�� Had it set up with an amplifier doing double duty asmy mobile rig and HT.��It worked well enough, we didn.t use tone squelch on the repeaters backthen. However, when I graduated to the mobile, I didn.t look back.��Listen around, see if there are any ham clubs in the area, look intojoining a few. That can be a big help getting on board.��Stan��From: Christopher CoySent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:24 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29792 Jun 20, 2013

Active clubs on the east side of Houston seem sparse.

I did find an upcoming Hamfest fairly close to Chris and me.

HAMFEST/CONVENTION ��07/13/2013Start Date: 07/13/2013End Date: 07/13/2013Location: Doyle Convention Center2015 21st Avenue NorthTexas City, TX 77590Website: www.tidelands.orgSponsor: Tidelands Amateur Radio SocietyType: ARRL HamfestTalk-In: 147.14+ (PL 167.9) & Backup 442.025+ (PL 103.5)Public Contact: Joe Wileman. , AA5OP.......PO Box 73 1010 24th Avenue North Texas City, TX 77590Phone: 409-945-6794Email: AA5OP@... ��Mike EarlsTSRA Life MemberNRA Benefactor Member

��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stan Labinsky Jr.Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:40 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?



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#29793 Jun 20, 2013

Have you checked out the Baytown club yet?



I've been meaning to get over to a CLARC meeting, but haven't had the opportunity yet.



The Baytown repeater, and the Pasadena repeater are the two closest to me, but they don't have much traffic.



From what I can tell 145.170 KA5QDG, and 146.920 WB5UGT (saltgrass linked) seem to be the busiest frequencies in the area.

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Michael D Earls" mikeearls@...> wrote:

>

> Active clubs on the east side of Houston seem sparse.

>

>

>

> I did find an upcoming Hamfest fairly close to Chris and me.



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#29795 Jun 20, 2013

Your frustration isunderstandable Chris but you have actually advanced your causeconsiderably over the past 24 hours in terms ofeliminating possible problems. Congratulationson your use of your other equipment to monitor that repeater, bythe way.



I'm sure a better antenna is going to make all the difference tothe 5R's ability to operate through your repeaters. I wouldn'tseriously consider trashing it. In no time at all you'll find youneed both a handheld and a mobile rig.



By the way, IRLP contact to VK3 is no major achievement. You justneed to be able to work a repeater that has an IRLP node attachedusing a DTMF equipped radio.



Bill, VK7MXOn 21/06/2013 7:24 AM, Christopher Coywrote:

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, "Stan Labinsky Jr." k2stn@...> wrote:

Right Chris, this is the point I was trying to make for folks new to this aspect of the hobby.

Many times your signal will be sufficient to key up a repeater, but if the signal is too far down into the noise, you��������ll experience exactly this result.

We once had a repeater in the area equipped with a feedback system, I think it actually sent back a signal report in Morse. Gave instant gratification... or not. You turned on and off with a number from your touchpad.

Stan





Well it's getting highly frustrating. All of the repeaters within a mile or two of my home are D-E-A-D dead. I haven't heard any traffic on them in a week, except for one 5 minute "net".

What's really frustrating is while listening to the Saltgrass system last night, I overheard a 14 year old boy use his 5RA in Lubbock Texas, connect to Victoria Austrailia via an IRLP link..... And I can't make it out of my back yard!! He was lucky enough to have his first contact be in Aust. as he had just received his license the day before.

I realize he probably lives closer to the repeater than I do, but still, it's HIGHLY frustrating to hear all the traffic and not be able to join in!

I'm going to try the copper J Pole on the roof, and perhaps an external antenna on my Jeep, but if that doesn't work I'm trashing the 5RA's and will start looking for a full mobile rig.



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#29796 Jun 20, 2013

They don���t appear to be listed on ARRL.ORG. They have a relatively inactive Yahoo group. I found them by looking up repeaters. On the CLARC site, there is an inactive website shown.

But they do have a message posted for Field Day.

This Saturday at 0900 we'll gather at the Baytown EOC for Field Day. Come joinin the fun anytime Saturday through Sunday. If the door is locked contact us onthe Baytown .78 repeater. Someone will let you in.Bring your own snacks and drinks. We'll have a CW station set up as well as adigital and phone station.See you SaturdayKen AE5EO ��Please understand I intend no slight. So far, my search for clubs was to find an exam.

I will try to catch one of their monthly meetings later.

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��From: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher CoySent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:09 PMTo: baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.comSubject: [baofeng_uv5r] Re: How far on 5w?







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#29798 Jun 20, 2013

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Bill Maxwell wrmaxwell@...> wrote: > I'm sure a better antenna is going to make all the difference to the

> 5R's ability to operate through your repeaters. I wouldn't seriously

> consider trashing it. In no time at all you'll find you need both a

> handheld and a mobile rig.

>

> By the way, IRLP contact to VK3 is no major achievement. You just need

> to be able to work a repeater that has an IRLP node attached using a

> DTMF equipped radio.

>

> Bill, VK7MX







I know Bill, but for someone who is used to being able to touch a computer screen at work, and talk plumb across the metroplex, being confined to my back yard with my little 5RA is frustrating! I'm a police dispatcher by trade, so not being able to hit the repeater is getting under my skin. But perhaps its part of the bigger plan to help me learn how to troubleshoot.



I wouldn't really trash the HT's, they'll come in handy at some point. And at this point, it's become a personal challenge to see if I can build a copper J-Pole, get it mounted to the roof, and actually hit that repeater with a good signal! I'm very hard headed so I can most certainly say that I will defeat this problem! This little radio is going down for the count!!! I will win!!! LOL



And I realize that IRLP isn't that great of an achievement, as its not 'true' ham operations and would basically be useless without the internet.



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#29801 Jun 21, 2013

I have every confidencethat you will prevail, Chris. Kerep us all posted ondevelopments.

73

Bill, VK7MX & VK1MX

On 21/06/2013 9:35 AM, Christopher Coywrote:

--- In baofeng_uv5r@yahoogroups.com, Bill Maxwell wrmaxwell@...> wrote:

I'm sure a better antenna is going to make all the difference to the 5R's ability to operate through your repeaters. I wouldn't seriously consider trashing it. In no time at all you'll find you need both a handheld and a mobile rig.

By the way, IRLP contact to VK3 is no major achievement. You just need to be able to work a repeater that has an IRLP node attached using a DTMF equipped radio.

Bill, VK7MX





I know Bill, but for someone who is used to being able to touch a computer screen at work, and talk plumb across the metroplex, being confined to my back yard with my little 5RA is frustrating! I'm a police dispatcher by trade, so not being able to hit the repeater is getting under my skin. But perhaps its part of the bigger plan to help me learn how to troubleshoot.

I wouldn't really trash the HT's, they'll come in handy at some point. And at this point, it's become a personal challenge to see if I can build a copper J-Pole, get it mounted to the roof, and actually hit that repeater with a good signal! I'm very hard headed so I can most certainly say that I will defeat this problem! This little radio is going down for the count!!! I will win!!! LOL

And I realize that IRLP isn't that great of an achievement, as its not 'true' ham operations and would basically be useless without the internet.



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#29803 Jun 20, 2013

Hello baofeng,



As far as reaching the repeater, you will normally have some form of

confirmation. Weather it's a beep, a message, etc. Eg. our local

repeater will say "Thank you for using the 95 repeater." and some

times will say "The next club meeting will be thursday down south"

or "Up north" (up north being Brookhaven at Western Sizzler, and

down south being Mc Comb at the hospital) When no one has talked in

a while, and when everyone's been talking back and forth, it just

beeps to let you know you reached the repeater. If your not hearing

some sort of beep, your most likely not hitting the repeater. As

far as how far you can talk. Yes, many factors will play a huge

role in how far, but to give you an idea... A friend made an antenna

out of spare parts and stuff for his son. He was able to talk 50

miles away to Jackson on 1 watt of power. That's like the absolute

best case scenerio! The better your antenna and the higher up it

is, the farther you can reach and the less power you will need.

With the pathetic antenna you get from the factory, expect to reach

only half way across town at best. That antenna is best for using

at events, where your going to be talking to folks close by. I've

got a 1/4 wave Ground Plane that's simple to make that'll reach both

local repeaters.



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