RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule


Oct 6, 2000

 


----------------------------

#1414 Oct 6, 2000

Just a little confussed? I have long suspected that Astro Physics

has

screwed up the notification list as to when they put people on that

list. You are my first conformation of that fact.



I have a letter from AP giving me a price quote and delivery schedule

from Sept 1998, seven months before you were placed on the list, yet

you have a three month earlier delivery date than mine.



Looks like AP's has not been entirely up front with this process.

That's what happens when you set a police and are not forth coming

about how that police is implimented or scheduled.



I have been waiting 26 months for delivery of the 1200 mount and it

will be 3 years before the AP155 is deleivered. Anyone have a

delivery date on the AP155 before June 2000 that was put on the list

after Sept 1998?



Something does not seem right here.



Anyway I hope you have fun with your new toy!



Andy



----------------------------

#1416 Oct 6, 2000

Andy,



When you contacted us in September 1998, we were accepting orders for the

1200GTO and 1200SMD (this is the one for which you requested a quotation)

models. You also requested delivery for the 155EDF, but we were not

accepting orders at that time. You were offered the opportunity to order the

1200 at that time, but did not. I can understand that you were reluctant to

do so because you stated you were working with grant funds and could not

order the 155. Nevertheless, you could have.



We did not start the notification list for the 1200GTO until November of

1998. You could have ordered until that time. You contacted us in May 1999

and asked to be placed on the 1200GTO list. We offered the mount to you in

March of this year and you ordered it.



You asked to be placed on the notification list for the 155EDF in August

1998 (prior to the quotation in September). We contacted you in July 2000

and you ordered that as well.



All of these dealings are above board and I have complete records. I suggest

that if you have a question in future, you call us directly to discuss it.

Please do not call our integrity into question without checking your facts

first.



Marjorie Christen

Astro-Physics

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847



-----Original Message-----

From:.forsberg@... [mailto:forsberg@...]

Sent:.Friday, October 06, 2000 2:02 PM

To:.ap-gto@egroups.com

Subject:.[ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule



Just a little confussed? I have long suspected that Astro Physics

has

screwed up the notification list as to when they put people on that

list. You are my first conformation of that fact.



I have a letter from AP giving me a price quote and delivery schedule

from Sept 1998, seven months before you were placed on the list, yet

you have a three month earlier delivery date than mine.



Looks like AP's has not been entirely up front with this process.

That's what happens when you set a police and are not forth coming

about how that police is implimented or scheduled.



I have been waiting 26 months for delivery of the 1200 mount and it

will be 3 years before the AP155 is deleivered. Anyone have a

delivery date on the AP155 before June 2000 that was put on the list

after Sept 1998?



Something does not seem right here.



Anyway I hope you have fun with your new toy!



Andy



----------------------------

#1417 Oct 6, 2000

10-6-2000

Andy--

I was placed on the AP155 list in February, 1999, and was told that I

would not be able to order a 155 this production run. So it will be at

least 2 years before being able to place an order, and then maybe another

year until delivery. Nevertheless, I'm very patient (as required) and

look forward to someday having one! We're actually lucky to even hope to

someday be able to own such a fine instrument. In the past, a telescope

like this was not even available for any price.

Rich Lapides in California





forsberg@... wrote:

> Just a little confussed? I have long suspected that Astro Physics

> has

> screwed up the notification list as to when they put people on that

> list. You are my first conformation of that fact.

>

> I have a letter from AP giving me a price quote and delivery schedule

> from Sept 1998, seven months before you were placed on the list, yet

> you have a three month earlier delivery date than mine.

>

> Looks like AP's has not been entirely up front with this process.

> That's what happens when you set a police and are not forth coming

> about how that police is implimented or scheduled.

>

> I have been waiting 26 months for delivery of the 1200 mount and it

> will be 3 years before the AP155 is deleivered. Anyone have a

> delivery date on the AP155 before June 2000 that was put on the list

> after Sept 1998?

>

> Something does not seem right here.

>

> Anyway I hope you have fun with your new toy!

>

> Andy



----------------------------

#1419 Oct 7, 2000

Marj,



I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list. I was not put

through. However I think I see the problem.



I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you products.

Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could not, nor would

I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place. Evan though you

were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in the habit of

ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not been approved

to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That decision was

made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now here I am in a

purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name should be at the

very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification list. At the

time, I was talking to you and Company 7 on a weekly bases, discussing

payments, delivery, etc, and I'm NOT on the list since Sept. 98? Are you

serious? What did I miss here!



In May, I talked to Christine and she stated she had no record of me. I was

puzzled since I had been in negotiations both with you and the funding

people for the past 9 months. I mistakenly believed that I had in fact been

on the list since Aug. 98 and was unaware that you were accepting orders for

the mount at that time, and in fact was unaware that the list for the 155EDF

did not include the mount. The fact that there were indeed two separate

lists was not abundantly clear at the time.



Apparently my confusion stems from the fact that I have been dealing with

your company since Aug. 98 on both scope and mount, and am needlessly to

say, upset when I see someone who is already taking delivery who was not on

the list until April 99, long after our negotiations commenced (Aug. 98).

Apparently Christine did not place my name on the list until May 99., 9

months after the fact. If you would have been more forth coming about my

placement on the list, when I repeatedly asked, the problem would have

become much clearer and would have been easily resolvable much earlier when

something could have been done about it.



I am not asking any special scheduling favors, however I was concerned that

this problem did not reoccur on the 155EDF. Your email implies that I have

indeed been on that list since Aug. 98 and therefore should be at or near

the top of that list. I wish to avoid any further problems with

communication and misunderstandings.



I feel that I have been unduly penalized because of my funding constraints.

It does not leave much wiggle room, to be cut off in the ordering and

procurement process with a "stop taking orders" date known only to you and

unknown to me and expect me to have the deal all rapped up in a tidy little

package by that unknown date. Procurement and funding is difficult at best

because of the long lead times. That is why I have since chosen to handle

this on my own volition rather than to wait for others to act.( as I said

before it still has not been approved)



I have no problem waiting my fair turn like anyone else but it is my belief

that a scheduling error has been made, complete records not with standing.

Not to mention the price raise that is in excess of the quoted value, which

by all accounts you should be held to. I am not making that an issue, but I

do expect to be treated fairly and I do not think I have been, in light of

the facts. I am not trying to be difficult but people must be held

accountable for their actions, and if mistakes are made they must be

rectified without stonewalling behind records that my be incomplete or not

representative of the situation as it was known two years ago, not how it is

understood and implemented today.



You have a loyal following because you make an excellent product. You don't

have to hide behind a vale of company secrecy. Be open with your lists and

schedules and up front with people when they ask production questions. When

information is not forth coming suspicion, rumor and innuendo arises.



I am looking forward to the much anticipated arrival date of all these

wonderful toys.



Andy



-----Original Message-----

From: Marj [mailto:marj@...]

Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:39 PM

To: ap-gto@egroups.com

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule





Andy,



When you contacted us in September 1998, we were accepting orders for the

1200GTO and 1200SMD (this is the one for which you requested a quotation)

models. You also requested delivery for the 155EDF, but we were not

accepting orders at that time. You were offered the opportunity to order the

1200 at that time, but did not. I can understand that you were reluctant to

do so because you stated you were working with grant funds and could not

order the 155. Nevertheless, you could have.



We did not start the notification list for the 1200GTO until November of

1998. You could have ordered until that time. You contacted us in May 1999

and asked to be placed on the 1200GTO list. We offered the mount to you in

March of this year and you ordered it.



You asked to be placed on the notification list for the 155EDF in August

1998 (prior to the quotation in September). We contacted you in July 2000

and you ordered that as well.



All of these dealings are above board and I have complete records. I suggest

that if you have a question in future, you call us directly to discuss it.

Please do not call our integrity into question without checking your facts

first.



Marjorie Christen

Astro-Physics

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847







----------------------------

#1420 Oct 7, 2000

Marj,

>

>I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

>suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list. I was not put

>through. However I think I see the problem.

>

>I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you products.

>Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could not, nor would

>I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place. Evan though you

>were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in the habit of

>ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not been approved

>to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That decision was

>made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now here I am in a

>purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

>right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name should be at

the >very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification list. At the

>time,

-snip



Andrew,



If you didn't have the funds available when the orders were

being accepted, why are you making such a fuss? IMHO,

you shouldn't get back in line at the top of the list.



Rich



----------------------------

#1421 Oct 7, 2000

Andy--



If you would take this matter off-line, either by private email to Marj or

via phone, I and many others would appreciate it. I think the issue you are

trying to resolve is outside the topic areas of this egroup.



Thank you,

Lee

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Andrew E. Forsberg [mailto:forsberg@...]

> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:24 PM

> To: ap-gto@egroups.com

> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

>

> Marj,

>

> I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

> suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list.

> I was not put

> through. However I think I see the problem.

>

> I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you

> products.

> Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could

> not, nor would

> I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place.

> Evan though you

> were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in

> the habit of

> ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not

> been approved

> to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That

> decision was

> made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now

> here I am in a

> purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

> right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name

> should be at the

> very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification

> list. At the

> time, I was talking to you and Company 7 on a weekly bases, discussing

> payments, delivery, etc, and I'm NOT on the list since Sept.

> 98? Are you

> serious? What did I miss here!

>

> In May, I talked to Christine and she stated she had no

> record of me. I was

> puzzled since I had been in negotiations both with you and the funding

> people for the past 9 months. I mistakenly believed that I

> had in fact been

> on the list since Aug. 98 and was unaware that you were

> accepting orders for

> the mount at that time, and in fact was unaware that the list

> for the 155EDF

> did not include the mount. The fact that there were indeed

> two separate

> lists was not abundantly clear at the time.

>

> Apparently my confusion stems from the fact that I have been

> dealing with

> your company since Aug. 98 on both scope and mount, and am

> needlessly to

> say, upset when I see someone who is already taking delivery

> who was not on

> the list until April 99, long after our negotiations

> commenced (Aug. 98).

> Apparently Christine did not place my name on the list until

> May 99., 9

> months after the fact. If you would have been more forth

> coming about my

> placement on the list, when I repeatedly asked, the problem would have

> become much clearer and would have been easily resolvable

> much earlier when

> something could have been done about it.

>

> I am not asking any special scheduling favors, however I was

> concerned that

> this problem did not reoccur on the 155EDF. Your email

> implies that I have

> indeed been on that list since Aug. 98 and therefore should

> be at or near

> the top of that list. I wish to avoid any further problems with

> communication and misunderstandings.

>

> I feel that I have been unduly penalized because of my

> funding constraints.

> It does not leave much wiggle room, to be cut off in the ordering and

> procurement process with a "stop taking orders" date known

> only to you and

> unknown to me and expect me to have the deal all rapped up in

> a tidy little

> package by that unknown date. Procurement and funding is

> difficult at best

> because of the long lead times. That is why I have since

> chosen to handle

> this on my own volition rather than to wait for others to

> act.( as I said

> before it still has not been approved)

>

> I have no problem waiting my fair turn like anyone else but

> it is my belief

> that a scheduling error has been made, complete records not

> with standing.

> Not to mention the price raise that is in excess of the

> quoted value, which

> by all accounts you should be held to. I am not making that

> an issue, but I

> do expect to be treated fairly and I do not think I have

> been, in light of

> the facts. I am not trying to be difficult but people must be held

> accountable for their actions, and if mistakes are made they must be

> rectified without stonewalling behind records that my be

> incomplete or not

> representative of the situation as it was known two years

> ago, not how it is

> understood and implemented today.

>

> You have a loyal following because you make an excellent

> product. You don't

> have to hide behind a vale of company secrecy. Be open with

> your lists and

> schedules and up front with people when they ask production

> questions. When

> information is not forth coming suspicion, rumor and innuendo arises.

>

> I am looking forward to the much anticipated arrival date of all these

> wonderful toys.

>

> Andy

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Marj [mailto:marj@...]

> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:39 PM

> To: ap-gto@egroups.com

> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

>

> Andy,

>

> When you contacted us in September 1998, we were accepting

> orders for the

> 1200GTO and 1200SMD (this is the one for which you requested

> a quotation)

> models. You also requested delivery for the 155EDF, but we were not

> accepting orders at that time. You were offered the

> opportunity to order the

> 1200 at that time, but did not. I can understand that you

> were reluctant to

> do so because you stated you were working with grant funds

> and could not

> order the 155. Nevertheless, you could have.

>

> We did not start the notification list for the 1200GTO until

> November of

> 1998. You could have ordered until that time. You contacted

> us in May 1999

> and asked to be placed on the 1200GTO list. We offered the

> mount to you in

> March of this year and you ordered it.

>

> You asked to be placed on the notification list for the

> 155EDF in August

> 1998 (prior to the quotation in September). We contacted you

> in July 2000

> and you ordered that as well.

>

> All of these dealings are above board and I have complete

> records. I suggest

> that if you have a question in future, you call us directly

> to discuss it.

> Please do not call our integrity into question without

> checking your facts

> first.

>

> Marjorie Christen

> Astro-Physics

> Phone: 815-282-1513

> Fax: 815-282-9847

>

>

>

>

>







----------------------------

#1422 Oct 7, 2000

Rich,



Research funding does not happen overnight least not in three months. In

fact funding has not yet been approved. Funding and waiting list are two

different items. I can not commit funds (place an actual order 50% down

etc) for an institution until funding approval. Your view of the world

would have me request funds wait 1 to 2 years for approval and then wait

another 3 years for product. By that time the research will be obsolete.



Regards



Andy



-----Original Message-----

From: Rich N. [mailto:rnapo@...]

Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:56 PM

To: ap-gto@egroups.com

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule







>Marj,

>

>I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

>suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list. I was not put

>through. However I think I see the problem.

>

>I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you products.

>Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could not, nor would

>I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place. Evan though you

>were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in the habit of

>ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not been approved

>to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That decision was

>made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now here I am in a

>purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

>right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name should be at

the >very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification list. At the

>time,

-snip



Andrew,



If you didn't have the funds available when the orders were

being accepted, why are you making such a fuss? IMHO,

you shouldn't get back in line at the top of the list.



Rich



----------------------------

#1423 Oct 7, 2000

My mistake! I indeed thought it was off line. I did not look clearly at the

return address. Sorry!



-----Original Message-----

From: Lee Gerstein [mailto:leegerstein@...]

Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:59 PM

To: ap-gto@egroups.com

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule





Andy--



If you would take this matter off-line, either by private email to Marj or

via phone, I and many others would appreciate it. I think the issue you are

trying to resolve is outside the topic areas of this egroup.



Thank you,

Lee

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Andrew E. Forsberg [mailto:forsberg@...]

> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:24 PM

> To: ap-gto@egroups.com

> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

>

> Marj,

>

> I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

> suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list.

> I was not put

> through. However I think I see the problem.

>

> I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you

> products.

> Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could

> not, nor would

> I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place.

> Evan though you

> were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in

> the habit of

> ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not

> been approved

> to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That

> decision was

> made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now

> here I am in a

> purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

> right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name

> should be at the

> very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification

> list. At the

> time, I was talking to you and Company 7 on a weekly bases, discussing

> payments, delivery, etc, and I'm NOT on the list since Sept.

> 98? Are you

> serious? What did I miss here!

>

> In May, I talked to Christine and she stated she had no

> record of me. I was

> puzzled since I had been in negotiations both with you and the funding

> people for the past 9 months. I mistakenly believed that I

> had in fact been

> on the list since Aug. 98 and was unaware that you were

> accepting orders for

> the mount at that time, and in fact was unaware that the list

> for the 155EDF

> did not include the mount. The fact that there were indeed

> two separate

> lists was not abundantly clear at the time.

>

> Apparently my confusion stems from the fact that I have been

> dealing with

> your company since Aug. 98 on both scope and mount, and am

> needlessly to

> say, upset when I see someone who is already taking delivery

> who was not on

> the list until April 99, long after our negotiations

> commenced (Aug. 98).

> Apparently Christine did not place my name on the list until

> May 99., 9

> months after the fact. If you would have been more forth

> coming about my

> placement on the list, when I repeatedly asked, the problem would have

> become much clearer and would have been easily resolvable

> much earlier when

> something could have been done about it.

>

> I am not asking any special scheduling favors, however I was

> concerned that

> this problem did not reoccur on the 155EDF. Your email

> implies that I have

> indeed been on that list since Aug. 98 and therefore should

> be at or near

> the top of that list. I wish to avoid any further problems with

> communication and misunderstandings.

>

> I feel that I have been unduly penalized because of my

> funding constraints.

> It does not leave much wiggle room, to be cut off in the ordering and

> procurement process with a "stop taking orders" date known

> only to you and

> unknown to me and expect me to have the deal all rapped up in

> a tidy little

> package by that unknown date. Procurement and funding is

> difficult at best

> because of the long lead times. That is why I have since

> chosen to handle

> this on my own volition rather than to wait for others to

> act.( as I said

> before it still has not been approved)

>

> I have no problem waiting my fair turn like anyone else but

> it is my belief

> that a scheduling error has been made, complete records not

> with standing.

> Not to mention the price raise that is in excess of the

> quoted value, which

> by all accounts you should be held to. I am not making that

> an issue, but I

> do expect to be treated fairly and I do not think I have

> been, in light of

> the facts. I am not trying to be difficult but people must be held

> accountable for their actions, and if mistakes are made they must be

> rectified without stonewalling behind records that my be

> incomplete or not

> representative of the situation as it was known two years

> ago, not how it is

> understood and implemented today.

>

> You have a loyal following because you make an excellent

> product. You don't

> have to hide behind a vale of company secrecy. Be open with

> your lists and

> schedules and up front with people when they ask production

> questions. When

> information is not forth coming suspicion, rumor and innuendo arises.

>

> I am looking forward to the much anticipated arrival date of all these

> wonderful toys.

>

> Andy

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Marj [mailto:marj@...]

> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:39 PM

> To: ap-gto@egroups.com

> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

>

> Andy,

>

> When you contacted us in September 1998, we were accepting

> orders for the

> 1200GTO and 1200SMD (this is the one for which you requested

> a quotation)

> models. You also requested delivery for the 155EDF, but we were not

> accepting orders at that time. You were offered the

> opportunity to order the

> 1200 at that time, but did not. I can understand that you

> were reluctant to

> do so because you stated you were working with grant funds

> and could not

> order the 155. Nevertheless, you could have.

>

> We did not start the notification list for the 1200GTO until

> November of

> 1998. You could have ordered until that time. You contacted

> us in May 1999

> and asked to be placed on the 1200GTO list. We offered the

> mount to you in

> March of this year and you ordered it.

>

> You asked to be placed on the notification list for the

> 155EDF in August

> 1998 (prior to the quotation in September). We contacted you

> in July 2000

> and you ordered that as well.

>

> All of these dealings are above board and I have complete

> records. I suggest

> that if you have a question in future, you call us directly

> to discuss it.

> Please do not call our integrity into question without

> checking your facts

> first.

>

> Marjorie Christen

> Astro-Physics

> Phone: 815-282-1513

> Fax: 815-282-9847

>

>

>

>

>







----------------------------

#1424 Oct 7, 2000

Hi Andrew,



My view of the world is you should recognize what is

required to purchase a particular instrument and adjust

your funds acordingly. If you and your institution can cut it,

too bad.



Rich





>Rich,

>

>Research funding does not happen overnight least not in three months. In

>fact funding has not yet been approved. Funding and waiting list are two

>different items. I can not commit funds (place an actual order 50% down

>etc) for an institution until funding approval. Your view of the world

>would have me request funds wait 1 to 2 years for approval and then wait

>another 3 years for product. By that time the research will be obsolete.

>

>Regards

>

>Andy

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Rich N. [mailto:rnapo@...]

>Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:56 PM

>Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

>>Marj,

>>

>>I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

>>suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list. I was not

put >>through. However I think I see the problem.

>>

>>I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you products.

>>Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could not, nor

would >>I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place. Evan though you

>>were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in the habit of

>>ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not been approved

>>to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That decision was

>>made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now here I am in a

>>purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

>>right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name should be at

>the

>>very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification list. At the

>>time,

>-snip

>

>Andrew,

>

>If you didn't have the funds available when the orders were

>being accepted, why are you making such a fuss? IMHO,

>you shouldn't get back in line at the top of the list.

>

>Rich

>



----------------------------

#1425 Oct 7, 2000

Andrew,



Just a suggestion, but you might want to take this off-line with Astro

Physics and talk to them directly instead of taking this public?



cheers,



jg



> [Original Message]

> From: Andrew E. Forsberg forsberg@...>

> To: ap-gto@egroups.com>

> Date: 10/7/00 1:24:39 PM

> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

> Marj,

>

> I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

> suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list. I was not

put > through. However I think I see the problem.

>

> I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you products.

> Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could not, nor

would > I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place. Evan though you

> were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in the habit of

> ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not been approved

> to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That decision was

> made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now here I am in a

> purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

> right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name should be at

the > very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification list. At the

> time, I was talking to you and Company 7 on a weekly bases, discussing

> payments, delivery, etc, and I'm NOT on the list since Sept. 98? Are you

> serious? What did I miss here!

>

> In May, I talked to Christine and she stated she had no record of me. I

was > puzzled since I had been in negotiations both with you and the funding

> people for the past 9 months. I mistakenly believed that I had in fact

been > on the list since Aug. 98 and was unaware that you were accepting orders

for > the mount at that time, and in fact was unaware that the list for the

155EDF > did not include the mount. The fact that there were indeed two separate

> lists was not abundantly clear at the time.

>

> Apparently my confusion stems from the fact that I have been dealing with

> your company since Aug. 98 on both scope and mount, and am needlessly to

> say, upset when I see someone who is already taking delivery who was not

on > the list until April 99, long after our negotiations commenced (Aug. 98).

> Apparently Christine did not place my name on the list until May 99., 9

> months after the fact. If you would have been more forth coming about my

> placement on the list, when I repeatedly asked, the problem would have

> become much clearer and would have been easily resolvable much earlier

when > something could have been done about it.

>

> I am not asking any special scheduling favors, however I was concerned

that > this problem did not reoccur on the 155EDF. Your email implies that I

have > indeed been on that list since Aug. 98 and therefore should be at or near

> the top of that list. I wish to avoid any further problems with

> communication and misunderstandings.

>

> I feel that I have been unduly penalized because of my funding

constraints. > It does not leave much wiggle room, to be cut off in the ordering and

> procurement process with a "stop taking orders" date known only to you and

> unknown to me and expect me to have the deal all rapped up in a tidy

little > package by that unknown date. Procurement and funding is difficult at

best > because of the long lead times. That is why I have since chosen to handle

> this on my own volition rather than to wait for others to act.( as I said

> before it still has not been approved)

>

> I have no problem waiting my fair turn like anyone else but it is my

belief > that a scheduling error has been made, complete records not with standing.

> Not to mention the price raise that is in excess of the quoted value,

which > by all accounts you should be held to. I am not making that an issue,

but I > do expect to be treated fairly and I do not think I have been, in light of

> the facts. I am not trying to be difficult but people must be held

> accountable for their actions, and if mistakes are made they must be

> rectified without stonewalling behind records that my be incomplete or not

> representative of the situation as it was known two years ago, not how it

is > understood and implemented today.

>

> You have a loyal following because you make an excellent product. You

don't > have to hide behind a vale of company secrecy. Be open with your lists

and > schedules and up front with people when they ask production questions.

When > information is not forth coming suspicion, rumor and innuendo arises.

>

> I am looking forward to the much anticipated arrival date of all these

> wonderful toys.

>

> Andy

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Marj [mailto:marj@...]

> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:39 PM

> To: ap-gto@egroups.com

> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule

>

>

> Andy,

>

> When you contacted us in September 1998, we were accepting orders for the

> 1200GTO and 1200SMD (this is the one for which you requested a quotation)

> models. You also requested delivery for the 155EDF, but we were not

> accepting orders at that time. You were offered the opportunity to order

the > 1200 at that time, but did not. I can understand that you were reluctant

to > do so because you stated you were working with grant funds and could not

> order the 155. Nevertheless, you could have.

>

> We did not start the notification list for the 1200GTO until November of

> 1998. You could have ordered until that time. You contacted us in May 1999

> and asked to be placed on the 1200GTO list. We offered the mount to you in

> March of this year and you ordered it.

>

> You asked to be placed on the notification list for the 155EDF in August

> 1998 (prior to the quotation in September). We contacted you in July 2000

> and you ordered that as well.

>

> All of these dealings are above board and I have complete records. I

suggest > that if you have a question in future, you call us directly to discuss it.

> Please do not call our integrity into question without checking your facts

> first.

>

> Marjorie Christen

> Astro-Physics

> Phone: 815-282-1513

> Fax: 815-282-9847

>

>

>

>







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#1426 Oct 7, 2000

Good suggestion,

I never intended for my post to be on line. My mistake I apologize to the

group. I did not pay close enough attention to the return email url and

thought I was emailing Marj privately.

Now I feel I have to defend my position.

I have not asked to be moved up on the list, just take care it does not

happen again.



-----Original Message-----

From: John Gleason [mailto:dvj@...]

Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:27 PM

To: ap-gto@egroups.com

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule





Andrew,



Just a suggestion, but you might want to take this off-line with Astro

Physics and talk to them directly instead of taking this public?



cheers,



jg



----------------------------

#1430 Oct 9, 2000

Andy,

I do not understand your post AT ALL. You have already ordered the 155EDF on

July 17 and ordered the 1200GTO in March 2000. What is the problem? Please

read my previous post, check your records and contact me privately.



Marjorie Christen

Astro-Physics

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847



-----Original Message-----

From:.Andrew E. Forsberg [mailto:forsberg@...]

Sent:.Saturday, October 07, 2000 3:24 PM

To:.ap-gto@egroups.com;

Subject:.RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule



Marj,



I have tried to call you on several occasions on this issue when I was

suspect that my name had slipped from the notification list. I was not put

through. However I think I see the problem.



I asked for a catalog in Aug. 98 thus opening a dialog on you products.

Based on your quote I requested funding in Sept. 98. I could not, nor would

I, place a unit on order until those funds were in place. Evan though you

were accepting orders I could not place an order. I'm not in the habit of

ordering something I can not pay for. Funding still has not been approved

to date. I have taken this on with my own financing. That decision was

made sometime in Nov. one day after you closed orders. Now here I am in a

purchase negotiation and you NOW will not accept my order? That's not

right! And even if you refuse to accept the order, my name should be at the

very LEAST at the TOP of any such newly formed notification list. At the

time, I was talking to you and Company 7 on a weekly bases, discussing

payments, delivery, etc, and I'm NOT on the list since Sept. 98? Are you

serious? What did I miss here!



In May, I talked to Christine and she stated she had no record of me. I was

puzzled since I had been in negotiations both with you and the funding

people for the past 9 months. I mistakenly believed that I had in fact been

on the list since Aug. 98 and was unaware that you were accepting orders for

the mount at that time, and in fact was unaware that the list for the 155EDF

did not include the mount. The fact that there were indeed two separate

lists was not abundantly clear at the time.



Apparently my confusion stems from the fact that I have been dealing with

your company since Aug. 98 on both scope and mount, and am needlessly to

say, upset when I see someone who is already taking delivery who was not on

the list until April 99, long after our negotiations commenced (Aug. 98).

Apparently Christine did not place my name on the list until May 99., 9

months after the fact. If you would have been more forth coming about my

placement on the list, when I repeatedly asked, the problem would have

become much clearer and would have been easily resolvable much earlier when

something could have been done about it.



I am not asking any special scheduling favors, however I was concerned that

this problem did not reoccur on the 155EDF. Your email implies that I have

indeed been on that list since Aug. 98 and therefore should be at or near

the top of that list. I wish to avoid any further problems with

communication and misunderstandings.



I feel that I have been unduly penalized because of my funding constraints.

It does not leave much wiggle room, to be cut off in the ordering and

procurement process with a "stop taking orders" date known only to you and

unknown to me and expect me to have the deal all rapped up in a tidy little

package by that unknown date. Procurement and funding is difficult at best

because of the long lead times. That is why I have since chosen to handle

this on my own volition rather than to wait for others to act.( as I said

before it still has not been approved)



I have no problem waiting my fair turn like anyone else but it is my belief

that a scheduling error has been made, complete records not with standing.

Not to mention the price raise that is in excess of the quoted value, which

by all accounts you should be held to. I am not making that an issue, but I

do expect to be treated fairly and I do not think I have been, in light of

the facts. I am not trying to be difficult but people must be held

accountable for their actions, and if mistakes are made they must be

rectified without stonewalling behind records that my be incomplete or not

representative of the situation as it was known two years ago, not how it is

understood and implemented today.



You have a loyal following because you make an excellent product. You don't

have to hide behind a vale of company secrecy. Be open with your lists and

schedules and up front with people when they ask production questions. When

information is not forth coming suspicion, rumor and innuendo arises.



I am looking forward to the much anticipated arrival date of all these

wonderful toys.



Andy



-----Original Message-----

From: Marj [mailto:marj@...]

Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:39 PM

To: ap-gto@egroups.com

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200 delivery schedule





Andy,



When you contacted us in September 1998, we were accepting orders for the

1200GTO and 1200SMD (this is the one for which you requested a quotation)

models. You also requested delivery for the 155EDF, but we were not

accepting orders at that time. You were offered the opportunity to order the

1200 at that time, but did not. I can understand that you were reluctant to

do so because you stated you were working with grant funds and could not

order the 155. Nevertheless, you could have.



We did not start the notification list for the 1200GTO until November of

1998. You could have ordered until that time. You contacted us in May 1999

and asked to be placed on the 1200GTO list. We offered the mount to you in

March of this year and you ordered it.



You asked to be placed on the notification list for the 155EDF in August

1998 (prior to the quotation in September). We contacted you in July 2000

and you ordered that as well.



All of these dealings are above board and I have complete records. I suggest

that if you have a question in future, you call us directly to discuss it.

Please do not call our integrity into question without checking your facts

first.



Marjorie Christen

Astro-Physics

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847







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